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- From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
- Subject: Re: Redemption in LOTR
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.055957.879@netcom.com>
- Organization: People's Front of Judea
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:59:57 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec31.003012.3254@netlabs.com> lwall@netlabs.com (Larry Wall) writes:
- >
- >What a lot of folks are missing is that redemption in the strict sense
- >*has* to have a redeemer. Anyone familiar with either Catholic or
- >Protestant theology should be able to figure out the rest of the
- >puzzle. Christian doctrine is Redeemer-centric. Thus, the LoTR is
- >mostly about *distributed* redemption, the one suffering for the many.
- >Frodo makes his sacrifice, even "dies young" symbolically, so that Sam
- >and all the Shire can go on living in their pastoral utopia. Bilbo
- >trades his share of the wealth to bring peace between dwarves and men.
- >Aragorn does his delayed gratification shtick for the long-term benefit
- >of all. Faramir sacrifices his relationship with his father to help
- >two hobbits, and later very nearly sacrifices himself to get his men
- >back to relative safety. And, of course, Gandalf's sacrificial words:
- >"Fly, you fools". Note the plural.
-
- I think the best example of redemption, by this definition, is
- from the first age: Earendil's voyage to Valinor. In fact, this
- is as close to a Christ figure as we can find. He intercedes
- between God (well, gods, i.e. Valar) and Man (well, Men and Elves).
- He thus redeems the whole of Middle-Earth, which is in Satan's
- (er, Morgoth's) power. He has to pay a heavy price: He is
- separated from all his family and cannot dwell in Valinor or
- Middle-Earth; instead he has to sail in the sky until the end.
- --
- Andrew Solovay
-
- "I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
- ---Pogo Possum
-