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- From: David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Women. . . . SHUT UP!
- X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
- Message-ID: <n1296t@ofa123.fidonet.org>
- Date: 21 Dec 92 08:41:36
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- Re: Women. . . SHUT UP!
- Who: mccall3080@iscsvax.uni.edu
- ID: <1992Dec14.224233.9404@iscsvax.uni.edu>
- With: Mic.Oettinger@launchpad.unc.edu (Mic Oettinger)
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- > MO> Not to bring up abortion, but I must. Feminists are the reason
- > MO> it has become such a contraversy. If they would all just shutup
- > MO> and let the world move on, ...."
-
- > What utter inanity. "If them blacks would just shut up. . . ."
- > right? You anti-woman biggot! "If women would only just shut up,
- > stay barefoot and pregnant, and keep in their proper place. . . ."
- > It is the Christian hate groups such as "Opperation 'Rescue'" that
- > made abortion an issue. It is the Christian hate groups such as
- > "The Vineyard" that use violence, bombs, threats, and intimidation
- > to beat women down, keep them oppressed, force them into dependant
- > roles to men. Feminists would like nothing better than to have
- > these Christian hate groups get the fuck out of their vaginas and
- > wombs, and leave them alone!
- > If Christian cults would all just shut up and let people live
- > their own lives without intervention. . . .
-
- M> "I didn't feel I could cut any of this out without destroying
- M> some important information! I want to thank David for his
- M> response. I am soooo tired of feminism getting a bad name."
-
- Actuall, I lost my temper, which should not have gone over the
- net. Blasting millions of Feminists for the behaviors of a few
- is childish and ignorant. I have known only one feminist who fit
- the characture Mic paints: she was a Dianic Witch and one of the
- board members / leaders of a local Pro-Choice group--- she would
- not talk to me (or any other male who helped at clinic defence),
- but would tell a woman to tell me where she wanted me placed. But
- I understand a little about where she was coming from and why she
- acted that way; Mic, it seems, would rather ignore this woman's
- hurts, pains, and frustrations, and blame "Feminism." What rot!
-
- M> "Yes, I think that SOME feminists go too far in their beliefs
- M> and DO think that they are better than men, but that is not the
- M> majority. Whenever you have a large group of people classified
- M> as one thing, there is going to be some that don't actually
- M> believe as the rest do. Of course those are the ones that will
- M> get all the negative attention and the rest of the organization
- M> suffers."
-
- That's where the majority steps up and denounces the minority view,
- as long as they allow said minority opinion to be spoken. This is
- something Christian groups often fail to do--- denounce their more
- violent, hate-filled groups--- because if they speak against these
- groups, they become the targets of the hate groups in turn. The
- trick is to "condemn with feeling," and place oneself in the boots
- of the decenting few, and see what their motivations are.
-
- M> I used to consider myself a feminist until I realized that my scope
- M> was larger than that. Yes, I think that our society is dominated
- M> by men, but it is changing. My beliefs are that ALL people should
- M> be treated with respect and treated equally. I suppose that makes
- M> me a humanist.
-
- If the truth be know, every now and then I agree that women are far
- superior to men in a great many things. My roommates (two women)
- work MUCH harder and much longer than I, and they get paid less;
- maybe this is why I empathise on the side of feminism--- my roommates
- have no time to "refuse and resist" the Christian fascist pigs, so
- I stand in the place of my roommates. Then I read crap from men like
- Mic, and I start to think how much better the world would be without
- men messing it up.
-
- Bottom line is, I read and hear several orders of magnatudes more
- hate, lies, and propaganda by men against women, than I do women
- against men. I wonder why Mic doesn't address THAT issue first. One
- always works on the life-threatening wounds (hate from men) before
- patching up the tiny scratches (hate from women).
-
- M> Melissa
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