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- From: David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: In My Humbel Opinion?
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- Date: 18 Nov 92 09:41:08
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- 1: watson@sce.carleton.ca (Stephen Watson)
- ID: watson.721755779@space.sce.carleton.ca
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- >>JJL> "The local chapter of Ambassadors for Christ [...]
-
- DR> "Since He refuses to come Himself. But then, since He never
- DR> existed, He has a good excuse. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- . ^^^^^^^^
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- SW> "David, kindly support this assertion, or else qualify it with
- SW> an "IMHO".
-
- That stands for "In My Humble Opinion." Me, humble?! (SMILE!)
- I will, however, qualify it below.
-
- SW> "It does not appear unreasonable (given the available
- SW> documentation) to believe that there was a first-century Jew
- SW> named "Yeshua", who led some sort of religious movement in
- SW> Roman-occupied Palestine."
-
- Look at line four above. It reads "Christ," not "a Jew named
- Yeshua." You added your knee-jerk biases and concluded that
- "Christ" equals some long-dead Jew that people call Jesus. I
- submit that Einstein, and Pasture, and Mm Curie, were Christ.
-
- SW> It even seems reasonable (given the dislike of imperialists for
- SW> those who cause, shall we say, excessive excitement among their
- SW> subjects) that he was "crucified under Pontius Pilate", as
- SW> the Creed says. His paternity, the exact content of his teachings
- SW> (and whether they were added to by later generations), and his
- SW> alleged deeds AFTER the curcifixion are, of course, questions
- SW> open to a somewhat higher level of skepticism or faith."
-
- In the newsgroup sci.skeptic there is two threads that discuss
- the issue ("What did Judas Betray?" and "The cruci-fiction").
- There are compelling reasons to believe that if the events in
- the various bibles were true, Jesus would have been STONED to
- death, not crucified--- Talmudic tradition says Jesus was stoned,
- at any rate, and the story was changed to "cruci-fiction" to make
- it meet some peoples' ideas of psychic biblical predictions.
-
- I -did not- say Jesus never existed. I said Christ never existed.
- Do you understand the distinction?
-
- [words by James and Stephen, which soundly beat me into the ground
- deleted as I would rather not repeat them]
-
- The issue of "Christ" or "Jesus" or other like occultism is better
- discussed in some theology newsgroup, except when addressing
- origins (*IMHO*). Jesus has nothing to do with origins any more
- than He had anything to do with Godhood, any more than Jesus had
- anything to do with Christ. It is well and good for theists to use
- smoke and mirrors to distract from the issue of origins here, but
- surely they should be called on the carpet to explain their claims?
- Occultism is counter-productive and anti-Commonwealth.
-
- SW> "Steve Watson: watson@sce.carleton.ca===Carleton University
-
- David Rice, the Evangelical Atheist.
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