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- From: robd@cherry09.cray.com (Robert Derrick)
- Subject: Us? Them?
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- Date: 18 Nov 92 16:18:46 CST
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- David Rice writes:
- > As long as I'm bitching and complaining. . . .
-
- No blame, no blame.
-
- > It is my observation that Creationists are not interested in
- > providing proof, or even evidence, of their claims; their only
- > desire is to out-last and out-shout, through attrition, the
- > evolutionary scientist until the latter surrenders out of
- > dispair and the sheer exertion of trying to educate the willfully
- > ignorant.
-
- Unfortunately for them, they are not going to ever succeed on
- T.O. For although they can always temporarily out post us,
- even such ranting juggernauts as myself, they are in no danger
- of ever outnumbering us, or ever outlasting us. Or, of course,
- ever outsmarting us.
-
- Over the past few weeks I have been making a playlist of T.O.
- posters. Of the following list, most of them have posted something
- in the past few weeks, and of those that haven't, I am fairly sure
- that most of them are still lurking out there. They represent
- all levels of expertise and knowledge. They include Christians,
- Atheists, Agnostics, at least one Taoist, and who knows what else.
- But all of them, even Onar Aam, who was under the lash a few weeks
- ago, have something in common. They believe in something! They are us.
-
- Yes, Virginia. There is still hope.
-
- Following the "us" list is the "them" list. It is kind of sad and
- pathetic. Please be gentle. ;^)
-
- US:
- Alan Feuerbacher
- Andy Peters
- Benjamin Dehner
- Bill Anderson
- Bill Gascoyne
- Bill Hyde
- Brett Vickers
- Bruce Munro
- Bruce Salem
- Burch Seymour
- C Frog (? does this person have a real name)
- Chris Colby
- Chris Lee
- Chris Stassen
- Corey (the reformed JW, I disrember his last name)
- Dale Skiba
- Dan Ashlock
- Daniel Johnson
- Dave Waller
- David Rice
- David Tinker
- David Utidjian
- Derek Abbot
- Dr. Pepper (? another incognito)
- Eric Shafto
- Herb Huston
- Jani Patokallio
- Jim Acker
- Jim Lippard
- Jim Merrit
- Joel Hanes
- Karl (? last name)
- Keith Doyle
- Kent Sandvik
- Larry Moran
- Loren King
- Loren Petrich
- Mark Isaak
- Matt Brinkman
- Matthew Wiener
- Michael Siemon
- Mickey Rowe
- Mike Huben
- Onar Aam
- Paul Keck
- Ray Ingles
- Richard Harter
- Richard Schumacher
- Rob Day
- Rob Derrick
- Scott Mullins
- Seanna Watson
- Seth Bradley
- Seth Kroger
- Simon Clippingdale
- Stanley Friesen
- Steve Linke
- Steve Watson
- Sue Bishop
- Tero Sand
- Tim Ikeda
- Tom Scharle
- Trygve Lode
- Warren vonRoeschlaub
- Wayne Throop
- William Hamilton
- .. and many others that I am sure that I have missed.
-
- Of the Them, still here:
- Kalki Dasa, Bob Bales, Ted Holden, Lionel Tun, Antii Siivonen
-
- Note that between this crowd, you would be hard pressed to find any
- argreement about anything, other than that "Evolution is Wrong".
- Kalki is verbose, Bales is in endless repetition, Holden is a lunatic,
- Tun is Holy, and Antii is clueless.
-
- Long gone:
- Jim Loucks, Jim Henley, Ray Cote, C. Allen Roy, Chuck Maier, Michael LeHoullier,
- and the guy that promised us free copies of the JW "Life" book and never
- delivered (what was his name?).
-
- I'm sure some of you could certainly add to this list.
-
- So,
-
- > It's all a matter of attrition. When enough of the educated give
- > up defending science from the psudo-science called Creationism
- > (due to time constraint, money constraint, dying, apathy), the
- > forces of ignorance takes up the slack. And the ignorant ALWAYS
- > outnumber the real scientists.
-
- Not here, my friend, not here. Keep the faith.
-
- Remember Arkansas!
-
- --
- rob derrick robd@cherry.cray.com
-