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- From: hamilton@hydra.gmr.com (William E. Hamilton CS50 CS/50)
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- Subject: Musings on a theory of creation
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- Date: 18 Nov 92 18:45:26 GMT
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- A recurring theme on t.o. is the request from noncreationists for the
- creationists to put forward a theory of creation. (Usually it's called
- a "theory of creationism", but I believe theory of creation is a more
- accurate description of what is being requested. After all, there is a
- theory of evolution, but as far as I know, there is no theory of
- evolutionism.)
-
- This request is quite reasonable, in view of the fact that most of the
- creationists who post to t.o. appear to be "Scientific" creationists - that is,
- they claim that their interpretation of geology and natural history, based on
- their interpretation of Scripture, is more "scientifically plausible" than
- the conventional understanding of geology and natural history.
-
- But usually the response from creationists is silence, sometimes preceded
- by a promise to serve it up to us right away. The problem as I see it, from
- a conservative Christian point of view is that the religion of most
- t.o. creationists (Christianity) is not about theories, in particular
- it is not about theories which if established, would establish the
- existence of God. In fact, the Bible spends few if any bytes on
- trying to establish the existence of God. One of the Psalms says "The
- fool has said in his heart, 'there is no god'". The Bible speaks from the
- point of view that God is known to exist and has revealed Himself in the
- Scriptures and through the Holy Spirit. Even the passages we Christians
- often cite as proof that nature reveals God really talk about His attributes,
- not His existence (Psalm 8 and Romans 1:20). Furthermore the Bible portrays
- God as a Deity Who reveals Himself to those who seek Him. Generally He
- doesn't force Himself on those who aren't looking for Him. So it would be
- logically inconsistent for a theory of creation to come out of the Christian
- "Scientific" Creationist community - at least one that scientists would
- consider a theory. Such a theory, if established, would be a proof
- of the existence of God.
- If God did not see fit to prove His existence to the satisfaction of all
- skeptics, I would not expect Him to want His followers to attempt that
- sort of proof either.
-
- Christians who get into "Scientific" creationism aren't
- looking for a theory. They're looking for a means of backing up their
- particular understanding of Scripture. The output of ICR and other
- creationist organizatons isn't intended for presentation before a
- scientific audience. (Well that's probably a matter of opinion.
- Many creationists may think it is, and some ICR folks may think it is,
- but it's certainly not the kind of material I'd put my name on and
- submit to a conference.) It's intended to bolster the faith of Christians
- who are troubled by scientific knowledge that appears to contradict
- what they see as an essential element of their faith. I have quite a bit of
- sympathy for them - I went through a period in which I was a fairly
- convinced creationist. Even a year ago when I "discovered" talk. origins,
- I was still struggling with the creation/evolution issue. Chris Stassen
- helped me deal with the geology issue, through his posts and some
- email exchanges in which he pointed me to references that helped. Many of
- you helped with the other issues that bothered me. Thanks.
-
- So where have I come out? Has my faith been challenged? Yes! Am I still
- a Christian? Yes! Do I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God? Yes!
- How do I look at the parts of the Bible which seem to contradict
- a current body of theory in use by scientists? Several ways:
-
- 1. The Bible tells us about the works of a Spiritual Being, many of which
- are miraculous (i.e. not explicable in terms of the known laws of
- chemistry and physics) If I could develop naturalistic explanations
- of all the events in the Bible, there wouldn't be any miracles left.
- God didn't intend us to understand *everything* - just as much as
- we can learn by our own efforts and (for believers) as much as
- we can understand of what He teaches us.
-
- 2. Science is not complete. (Praise God for that. thousands
- of scientists would be out of work if it were)
-
- 3. Our understanding of Scripture is not perfect.
-
- So: Should t.o. posters continue to ask creationists for a theory of
- creation? Absolutely. While it is unlikely that a defensible theory
- will ever be offered, perhaps it will help open the eyes of at least
- some creationists to the fundamental differences in aims and methods
- between science and Christianity. Not conflict - just differences.
-
- Bill Hamilton
- GM Research Labs
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