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- Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.221037.131345@zeus.calpoly.edu>
- From: skroger@zeus.calpoly.edu (Seth L. Kroger)
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:10:37 GMT
- References: <e0N3TB8w165w@kalki33> <1992Nov13.195833.12085@athena.mit.edu> <1992Nov13.221725.10364@galois.mit.edu>
- Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
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- tycchow@nevanlinna.mit.edu (Timothy Y. Chow) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov13.195833.12085@athena.mit.edu> Loren King writes:
- >Kalki's point seems to be that we should suspend belief in the proposition
- >that life arose from non-life by purely naturalistic processes until a
- >plausible scenario is constructed. I don't think he is claiming that we
- >should suspend belief even if we construct a plausible process that works
- >today, on the grounds that it "might not have happened that way in the
- >past." The analogy with Goldbach's conjecture that you bring up later is
- >a good one. In the past, mathematicians would have been confident in
- >saying, "Well, we don't have a proof either way yet, but we know that
- >there *is* a proof one way or the other. The problem is a mathematical
- >one and can be solved by mathematical means." After Godel, nobody is
- >willing to say even this. The analogous statement, "Well, nobody has a
- >plausible mechanism for naturalistic abiogenesis yet, but nevertheless
- >I believe that there *is* a naturalistic explanation, because this is a
- >scientific problem and must have a scientific solution," is what I think
- >Kalki is challenging.
-
- I would argue that it is Kalki and other creationists who should be
- challenged. It's a question of burden of proof. One important aspect on
- burden of proof is that you should base a controversial proposition on
- something that is controversial as well. They say that life can only have a
- supernatural explaination. This is based on the controversial assumption
- that the supernatural (ie., God) actually exists. Thus, the burden of proof
- falls more heavily upon the C'ists than the scientists. (And, if God does
- exist, there's still nothing to say it must be a supernatural explaination.
- God could just hang back and let life come about by itself, a Deist's
- viewpoint)
-
- >One response might be that scientists treat the existence of a naturalistic
- >mechanism for abiogenesis as a "working assumption" but don't necessarily
- >believe it in their hearts.
-
- >Tim Chow tycchow@math.mit.edu
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- | Seth Kroger "If God made us in His image we |
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