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- From: bobb@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Robert W Bales)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Bales argument
- Message-ID: <7631@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 02:21:39 GMT
- Sender: news@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM
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- Jim Meritt writes:
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- } Burch Seymore
-
- }I would request that the Merritt v Bales be taken to e-mail. I doubt
- }many of us care to split semantic hairs about lies vs whatever. Thank you.
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- >No can do. Reasons:
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- >2. If the reason is to contest his deception, the counters would HAVE to be
- > as public as the original propaganda from Bales.
-
- "Counters" would be objective information which counteracts my assertions.
- Providing such evidence would be the most effective method of disposing of
- my "propaganda." But with few exceptions, and those sometime in the past,
- Jim does not do this. I believe that people use the most effective argument
- method that they can. Hence, I have come to think that Jim does not show me
- to be objectively wrong because he cannot -- because the facts are not on
- his side.
-
- I can't judge intent and motive. But Jim's technique of ignoring substantive
- discussion while attacking character is commonally used to try to win a
- discussion/argument when one is actually on the losing side.
-
- >Hence, I do NOT see this as a disagreement with him (a useless action if ever
- >I saw one) but actions to prevent his irrational lies from being believed as
- >truth by seekers of truth - and this HAS happened in the past, here, with
- >him.
-
- Jim has publically said he will modify his position if someone agrees with me.
- But this indicates something else -- that if someone agrees with me, it
- indicates that I might be right, but that they are decieved.
-
- Furthermore, it is almost an insult to others in this group. To a certain
- extent, they are pictured as incapable of deciding for themselves if what I
- say is valid. Jim must tell them.
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- Bob Bales
- Tektronix, Inc.
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- I help Tektronix make their instruments. They don't help me make my opinions.
-