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- Path: sparky!uunet!destroyer!news.iastate.edu!IASTATE.EDU!kv07
- From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Subject: Re: Information in a system.
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.171957@IASTATE.EDU>
- Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System)
- Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
- References: <1992Nov14.160720@IASTATE.EDU> <9LPDuB14w165w@kalki33>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:19:57 GMT
- Lines: 69
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- In article <9LPDuB14w165w@kalki33>, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- > kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) writes:
- >> Kalki,
- >>
- >> Right now I am running a computer program at home. It generated 100
- >> creatures. Each has two wheels and two sensors for detecting "food". Using
- >> tiny nural net as a brain, the information from the sensors is sent to the
- >> wheels.
- >
- >[lot of stuff describing the "creatures"]
- >
- >> Now here is the question: Obviously the creatures have become more
- >> sophisticated at locating food. They have generated rules, information if
- yo
- >> will, on how to locate it. Now, where did that information come from?
- >>
- >> Remember, my initial state was completely random, so it didn't come from
- >> there. I have no idea what the proper neural inputs are for locating food,
- s
- >> didn't put them there. The program alters the creatures in a completely
- rand
- >> manner, so it didn't add any information to the system. Where did it come
- >> from?
- >
- > You must have the first computer in history to generate "completely"
- > random numbers!
-
- Not the first. All I had to do was hook a diode to the serial port backwards
- and read off the quantum trickle of electricity. If you think that isn't random
- you havent read much about QM. (Okay, so it doesn't really work that way, but
- it would only take a few hours to hook this up, and I would get the same
- results). Objection overruled.
-
- > And the first program in history that wasn't created by
- > a programmer!
-
- The program that simulates them was created by me, but the programs the
- creatures run was written by my random number generator.
-
- > And the first computer to ever assemble itself!
-
- What does that have to do with anything? Do you mean to tell me that as soon
- as a human being touches something it is no longer capable of producing random
- behavior?
-
- > And the
- > first source of electric power to just hook itself up to your house and
- > start generating 60hz, 117 VAC!
-
- the computer runs on AC, but the creatures do not. They are virtual data
- structures, and as such exist only in theory: they have no form and thus use no
- energy.
-
- > | Don't forget to chant: Hare Krishna Hare Krishna |
- > | Krishna Krishna Hare Hare |
- > | Hare Rama Hare Rama |
- > | Rama Rama Hare Hare |
-
- Dont forget to chant: Awa Tana Siam
- Yea Siam Anas
-
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