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- From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Quote from ME
- Date: 20 Nov 1992 12:37:31 -0800
- Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
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- References: <1992Nov19.155934.15998@panix.com> <sj39g68@zola.esd.sgi.com> <1992Nov20.172138.1825@panix.com>
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- In article <1992Nov20.172138.1825@panix.com> jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb) writes:
- >In <sj39g68@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio) writes:
- >
- >>"good" because they promote order & reduce accident rates,
- >>without making any "moral" judgments about driving through
- >>intersections without stopping. This is one of Adrienne
- >>Regard's favorite examples, I think.
- >...
- >I don't really understand the example. Order is generally a good
- >thing and pain and suffering are bad, so the laws are passed.
-
- A law specifying one is to drive on the right hand side of the road does
- not automatically determine that driving upon the left hand side of the
- road is immoral, painful or full of suffering.
-
- Why is order a 'good' thing?
-
- You are using the notion of economic 'good' versus moral 'good' here, and
- really, you shouldn't mix 'em up because there are plenty of examples
- available of economic 'goods' that you would find moral 'bads'.
-
- Order is a 'good' thing because there is a high cost to chaos. In some
- areas of life, we prefer to pay the higher cost -- we permit free speech
- for one thing, which enables a whole mess of people to say nasty things
- to/about/against other people. The economic cost may be 'bad', but, in
- fact, the enforcement cost of the alternative would probably be 'worse'.
- Go fish.
-
- >(things that become bad only by being prohibited) and _mala in se_
- >(things that are bad without reference to any positive law prohibiting
- >them). For example, neither driving on the right nor driving on the
- >left are _mala in se_. But once England decides by law that people
- >should drive on the left it becomes immoral to drive on the right
- >because given the established rule of driving on the left would cause
- >unreasonable risks to people.
-
-
- Ah, good. Now, having got this far, do you or do you not recognise
- that 'unreasonable risks' to people include, and in many cases is primarily
- determined by, economic considerations?
-
- Sure, you can twist and turn the law into a 'moral' framework if you want
- to, ignoring all the areas that the law is SILENT on moral issues, or you
- can actually take a look at the law, go past the surface security of
- insisting it's a moral framework, and observe the economic forces under-
- neath. Economics is a much simpler explanation, after all, of why societies
- with *competing* religious doctrines ('moral' doctrines if you will) often
- include the *same* legal prohibitions..... Economics is also a much simpler
- explanation of those areas where the law is SILENT on moral issues.
-
- Adrienne Regard
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