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- From: andrew@rentec.com (Andrew Mullhaupt)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Top 10 Cited References in the 80's
- Message-ID: <1344@kepler1.rentec.com>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 20:23:02 GMT
- References: <Nov.19.15.43.08.1992.6763@ruhets.rutgers.edu> <1340@kepler1.rentec.com> <Nov.22.20.37.14.1992.16349@ruhets.rutgers.edu>
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- In article <Nov.22.20.37.14.1992.16349@ruhets.rutgers.edu> bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner) writes:
- >andrew@rentec.com (Andrew Mullhaupt) writes:
- >>Here's my suggestion: Publish an incorrect [top 10 cited] list. Everyone who complains
- >>gets his tenure (or equivalent) revoked. Next suggestion: Physics should
- >>order authors alphabetically. Final suggestion: all journals drop little
- >>biographies and pictures of authors, and authors use initials instead
- >>of names.
- >
- >I like the first one!! But the next is bad, you'd just have people refusing
- >to work with anyone who came ahead in the alphabet. In the novel "Cantor's
- >Dilemna" by the chemist Carl Djerassi there is a character, a biologist,
- >who in grad school changed her name from Yardley to Ardley for this
- >reason.
-
- We do it this way in math for a good reason. (So nobody can infer any
- relative importance from the ordering of the author's names.) You will, for
- example find about 800 papers by Hardy and Littlewood, and exactly 0
- by Littlewood and Hardy. You would be quite ill advised to presume that
- Hardy was more important on this basis.
-
- Guido Weiss is said to have gone through various contrivances to write
- a paper with Antoni Zygmund, but in the one case where it happened,
- another author had to be added so Weiss is (as far as I know) never first
- in any joint paper.
-
- The result? Nobody refuses to collaborate because of name order (that I
- am aware of), since name order is alphabetical and has no other meaning.
-
- > And I don't like the last suggestion - the initials
- >in journals like Phys Rev are annoyingly impersonal. I prefer the
- >practice in some astronomy and most biology journals, where first names
- >are allowable. It makes the authors more human.
-
- Initials are strongly recommended to alleviate statistically demonstrated
- discrimination against female authors, and historically, other forms of
- discrimination. Just like you don't use your various titles in the literature
- (such as military rank, etc.) The human appearance of the authors and the
- humane treatment of authors are not the same thing. As a result, I come
- down on the side of humane treatment of all authors.
-
- I go so far as to devalue my estimation of any author _posing_ as a
- mathematician who appears out of alphabetical order in a paper, since
- they are not conforming to the mathematical practice. (I.e. _real_
- mathematicians appear in alphabetical order...)
-
-
- And yes, there is at least one paper where I would have used a different
- ordering when publishing in a physics journal if I were a physicist, but
- didn't, to make sure no mathematicians thought the less of me.
-
- Later,
- Andrew Mullhaupt
-
-