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- From: tobis@meteor.wisc.edu (Michael Tobis)
- Subject: Re: Communicating Physics (was Re: Detecting crackpots - for laymen?)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.201237.433@meteor.wisc.edu>
- Organization: University of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Space Science
- References: <1541700002@gn.apc.org> <1992Nov17.231944.13221@meteor.wisc.edu> <18NOV199210501176@csa1.lbl.gov>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:12:37 GMT
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- In article <18NOV199210501176@csa1.lbl.gov> sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov17.231944.13221@meteor.wisc.edu>, tobis@meteor.wisc.edu (Michael Tobis) writes...
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- >>I think that the question of how to distinguish nonsense from science is
- >>a very serious one, though I am not sure this is the appropriate forum
- >>to discuss it. Physicists do tend to think of themselves as an elite,
- >>rather than in the public employ, and tend to be particularly weak in
- >>conveying their ideas to the public.
-
- >I'm not so sure that this is true. Ask a random person on the street
- >to tell you anything about modern biology - something you couldn't find
- >in a textbook written in 1950. How about chemistry? I think you would
- >find many more people who could tell you lots of qualitative stuff
- >about physics in the last 40 years than either of these other hard
- >sciences. The Big Bang and the CMBR, quarks, high Tc superconductivity,
- >supernova observations, chaos, etc. are all, I think, widely known parts of
- >modern physics.
-
- Probably the cosmology stuff has more currency than the particle stuff.
-
- Many people know the word "quark" but would be hard pressed to tell you
- what a quark "is". For myself, I'm doing Ph.D. level work in computational
- fluid dynamics. I try to read every article in Scientific American, and
- generally fail to get much of anything out of the articles written
- by physicists. Perhaps this is a failing in myself, but I have to suspect
- that others have the same experience.
-
- >I think that most physicists shy away from trying to communicate this complex
- >web of incomplete ideas and inconsistent data. It is much easier to
- >talk about 1960's physics. There is also a mathematical barrier that can
- >be difficult to overcome. Much of what motivates new ideas in high energy
- >physics are mathematical considerations, or at least highly mathematical
- >physical considerations.
-
- I acknowledge that it is particularly difficult. I do not see a recognition
- among physicists that it should be a very high priority. It certainly seems
- to me that anyone asking me for $4,000,000,000.00 should be able to give
- me some idea what they are going to do with it!
-
- >Personally, I think that the market is flooded with well-written books
- >for the layman on interesting physics subjects. But this is clearly not
- >enough to educate the general public. I think that we need more outreach -
- >community lectures and demonstrations, inviting the public into our
- >labs to see what we do, going into the public schools to help teachers
- >expose their students to what goes on out on the cutting edge, etc.
-
- I think the well-writtenness is an illusion. It is much easier to read
- something once you know something about the material. More to the point,
- though, the popularizatrions do not seem to deal with current topics.
- Rather they continue the endless torture of Schroedinger's cat, poor
- beast, which is certainly interesting enough but hardly current.
-
- In any case, I do read
- lots of the stuff, and it doesn't give me much grounding for separating
- the wheat from the chaff in sci.physics. And it seems to me that I ought
- to be particularly well-equipped for this compared to the general public
- not involved in a physical science. Having worked in fluid dynamics and
- having a couple of electrical fields courses under my belt, I am pretty
- firmly grounded in 19th century physics!
-
- However, I would be interested in your list of well-written books. btw,
- I thought Hawking's book was weak, and Gleick's _Chaos_ utterly atrocious.
- I like Davies' books, and Ian Stewart's _Does God Play Dice_ is an
- excellent semi-popular (it does contain some elementary equations)
- survey of chaotic dynamics.
-
- What's a CMBR?
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