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- From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass)
- Subject: Re: Continuos vs. discrete models Was: The size of electrons, ...
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.182140.6110@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:21:40 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov17.123636.23533@oracorp.com> daryl@oracorp.com (Daryl McCullough) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov16.065208.28725@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
- >crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:
- >
- >>>As one simple example consider the difference between a model based on
- >>>finite difference equations and one based on partial differential
- >>>equations.
- >>
- >> Name a physical system in which the FDE is considered more fundamental
- >> than the PDE? For most of us, we take the 'true' PDE and muck it
- >> up, introducing loads of spurious conservation laws and higher
- >> order terms, by deriving a finite difference formulation of it.
- >> I'd be interested in a system in which we did the reverse.
- >
- >The diffusion equation (a continuous limit of discrete Brownian
- >motion), population growth equation (there can only be a discrete
- >number of individuals, after all), thermodynamics. I think quite
- >a few physical systems are properly thought of as discrete, and
- >the continuous description is an approximation.
-
- Thanks, I was thinking about the problem somewhat differently
- (though maybe not with sufficient erudition).
-
- I was actually trying to think aloud of a system in which the underlying
- physics was 'discrete'. Brownian motion is an idealization
- of a rather messy continuous process, as is thermodynamics.
- Nowhere are derivatives discontinuous in these systems in nature.
-
- Population growth is one that I may buy for the reason that you
- state, though I can conceive of coefficients in the equation(s) that are
- related to true derivatives from other systems.
-
- dale bass
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