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- From: sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: pressure questions
- Message-ID: <16NOV199214241024@csa3.lbl.gov>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 22:24:00 GMT
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- In article <9729@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, gswst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Gary S. Wachs) writes...
- >
- >Therefore, if we took an extremely thick-walled metallic box with a
- >hollow center filled with a cubic foot of air at sea-level pressure of
- >1 atmosphere, I believe that the metal would be so resistent to
- >compression that the hollow air pocket inside would not see a change in
- >pressure. Yes it is changing altitude, but it is isolated from the
- >crushing forces of pressure outside the box, it won't be effected.
- >
- >Now then, am I way off or is that correct?
-
- In principle, you are basically correct. *Any* rigid wall will support some
- of the external pressure on the gas inside. That is, the restoring force
- due to the atoms in the wall pulling on one another will provide some
- balance against the external force of the water pushing in. The rest of the
- balancing force must come from the pressure of the gas in the box.
- Otherwise the box will not be in equilibrium. So you can maintain a pressure
- differential if you want to do so. Only a perfectly rigid wall will
- support all the pressure, so the internal pressure, in practice, will
- always go up, at least a little. But if you don't mind going into
- debt, you can build a thick-walled box with internal bracing that will
- withstand really high pressures. If you increase the external pressure
- enough, you will eventually cause the box to fail, leading to catastrophic
- sudden pressure increase on the gas (or person) inside.
-
- If you want to build an underwater habitat, like in _The Abyss_, you would
- want to put your structure under as little net stress as possible, to limit
- the strain, and therefore the cost. In _The Abyss_, there are no airlocks -
- the air and water are in equilibrium, so you just drop down through a hole
- in the floor. The structure is under zero net pressure, but the occupants
- are at very high pressure. I don't know how much atmospheric
- pressure you body can take, however I imagine that if you aclimate slowly
- enough that you can take quite a few atmospheres of pressure. Others
- surely know more about this than I do. But I suspect that when the
- atmospheric pressure approaches the pressure you heart can generate, that
- you have circulatory problems. Your heart will have to work harder,
- and your blood vessels may not be able to take the pressure increase.
-
- -Scott
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- Scott I. Chase "It is not a simple life to be a single cell,
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