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- From: frank@Cookie.secapl.com (Frank Adams)
- Subject: Re: Logic and Mathematicians
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.161422.19031@Cookie.secapl.com>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:14:22 GMT
- References: <56452@dime.cs.umass.edu> <1992Nov21.185205.3566@dorsai.com>
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- In article <1992Nov21.185205.3566@dorsai.com> mutation@dorsai.com (Florian Lengyel) writes:
- >Computing processes seem too fundamental to me, too much a part of the
- >way mathematics and meta-mathematics is conducted to begin with ...
- >Computing processes, which include the computation of inferences, are
- >absolute, in other words, so they should not be suceptible to varying
- >interpretations of set theory that would lead to such grossly different
- >computational outcomes as P = NP under one interpretation and P <> NP
- >under another.
-
- But non-standard interpretations of ZFC often have non-standard integers.
- It is quite possible for an algorithm to "halt" in time n^K, where K is a
- non-standard integer in such a model, but not to halt in time n^k for any
- actual integer k.
-
- If one could show P=NP in a model of ZFC (or more likely PA) which could be
- shown to have non-standard integers, while showing P < NP in a model which
- did not appear to require non-standard integers, that would be strong
- evidence for P < NP. Depending on the details, a proof (on the
- meta-theoretic level) might even be possible.
-
- It is also possible that P < NP, but that no proof is available in any
- system we can accept. More specifically, P < NP may be independent of ZFC,
- but we will not be able to prove it. This is possible for any unsolved
- problem, of course, but it seems more likely for unsolved problems in
- complexity theory (and even more so in computability and set theory) than in
- most areas.
-