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- From: columbus@strident.think.com (Michael Weiss)
- Newsgroups: sci.logic
- Subject: Truth and large cardinals (was: Lowenheim-Skolem theorem)
- Followup-To: sci.logic
- Date: 23 Nov 92 14:11:11
- Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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- In-reply-to: paul@mtnmath.UUCP's message of 23 Nov 92 16:38:49 GMT
-
- In article <373@mtnmath.UUCP> paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik) writes:
-
- [...] The way mathematicians extend logic
- today is by postulating the existence of large cardinals.
- These abstractions are so far removed from the computational roots of
- mathematics that there is no intuitive basis for deciding between them.
- However these large cardinal axioms have combinatorial implications.
- For example they allow us to decide the halting problems for a wider
- class of Turing Machines.
-
-
- I assume that last sentence refers to this sort of situation: in ZFI, one
- can prove Con(ZF), which in turn says that a Turing machine that spent its
- time searching for a contradiction in ZF would never halt.
-
- It is my contention that if one focused
- on understanding these combinatorial implications and forgot about the
- Platonic heaven of completed infinite totalities, real progress could
- be made in extending logic.
-
- Suppose we have some large cardinal axiom, say R (for Really Big Cardinal).
- In ZFR one can prove (say) that Turing machine T never halts. Are you
- saying that one should add that combinatorial statement (call it TR) as a
- new axiom, but not R?
-
- I can see a certain philosophical appeal, in that the combinatorial
- statement TR is in principle falsifiable. One might regard TR as having a
- truth value in some absolute philosophical sense, but not R. On the other
- hand, what reason do I have for believing that TR is true, if I reject R as
- meaningless?
-
- Of course, I could always adopt a formalist attitude-- "let's play around
- with this new axiom TR, and see what happens." But I could do that with ZFR.
-