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- From: frank@Cookie.secapl.com (Frank Adams)
- Subject: Re: recursive definitions and paradoxes
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.163357.52070@Cookie.secapl.com>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:33:57 GMT
- References: <26922@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
- Organization: Security APL, Inc.
- Lines: 33
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- In article <26922@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gudeman@cs.arizona.edu (David Gudeman) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov21.230530.117800@Cookie.secapl.com> Frank Adams writes:
- >]In article <26788@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gudeman@cs.arizona.edu (David Gudeman) writes:
- >]>I propose for discussion the
- >]>
- >]> Axiom of Definition: (X := E /\ Exist! X.X=E) => X = E
- >]>
- >]>where "Exist! x" means "there exists a unique x such that".
- >]
- >]Actually, no. Unless I am much mistaken, this kind of definition is
- >]eliminable. If we have a definition X := E, we can rewrite a wff of
- >]the form P(X) as (All X.((Ex! X.X=E) => X=E) => P(X)).
- >
- >I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean that the definition plus the
- >axiom is eliminable, then of course you are right.
-
- (I am leaving out the discussion of exactly how to eliminate the definition;
- it suffices that we agree it is eliminable.)
-
- In my previous article, I quoted:
- > And by adding some of the well-known machinery
- >from recursion theory to prove Exist!... you could also talk about a lot
- >of self-containing sets. Wouldn't this theory be much more powerful
- >than ZF?
-
- Perhaps I misunderstood; I though David was asserting that his definitions
- and axiom thereof would make a theory much more powerful than ZF. If they
- are eliminable, they don't.
-
- So I must have misinterpreted "the well-known machinery from recursion
- theory". I think I know recursion theory fairly well, and I don't know just
- what is being referred to here. Thus I have to ask David to explicate just
- exactly what machinery he wishes to import.
-