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- From: holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
- Subject: Re: recursive definitions and paradoxes
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:57:25 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.215048.26539@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
- >In article <26788@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gudeman@cs.arizona.edu (David Gudeman) writes:
- >>But consider the paradoxical definitions
- >>
- >> S := {{},R}
- >> R := {x E S : ~(x E x)} (8)
- >>
- >>where the definition of R has exactly the same form as the definition of
- >>Russell's paradoxical set (replacing S with the universal set). But
- >>here, S is a set with only two elements! Given such a clear example of
- >>Russell's paradox by quantifying over a finite set, I don't see how
- >>anyone can still claim that Russell's paradox is somehow caused by a
- >>universal set that is "too big". Size has nothing to do with it, the
- >>only consideration is how it is defined. Clearly in this example the
- >>problem is an ill-founded mutual recursion between the two set
- >>definitions.
- >
- >Russell's paradox denies the existence of the paradoxical set of all
- >sets. Denial of an existential is a universal, and the universal
- >statement asserted by Russell's paradox is that every set has a
- >nonmember. The universal set is "too big" by one element, having no
- >nonmember. From that perspective size has everything to do with it.
- >--
- >Vaughan Pratt A fallacy is worth a thousand steps.
-
- This is inaccurate. Russell's paradox proves nothing except that
- there is no set which has exactly the sets which are not elements of
- themselves as members. If the Axiom of Separation is added to one's
- theory, the paradox has the consequence indicated. In theories where
- the Axiom of Separation does not hold (like NFU) the paradox has
- different consequences.
-
- Separation = for any set A and each formula P, {x E A | P} exists.
-
-
- --
- The opinions expressed | --Sincerely,
- above are not the "official" | M. Randall Holmes
- opinions of any person | Math. Dept., Boise State Univ.
- or institution. | holmes@opal.idbsu.edu
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