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- From: paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik)
- Newsgroups: sci.logic
- Subject: Re: Do completed infinite totalities exist? Was: Lowneheim-Skolem theorem
- Message-ID: <365@mtnmath.UUCP>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 16:40:54 GMT
- References: <1992Nov17.124233.24312@oracorp.com> <TORKEL.92Nov19201017@lludd.sics.se>
- Organization: Mountain Math Software, P. O. Box 2124, Saratoga. CA 95070
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- In article <TORKEL.92Nov19201017@lludd.sics.se>, torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
- > In article <363@mtnmath.UUCP> paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik) writes:
- >
- > >I think we can learn a lot more
- > >about the notion of a real number from such research than we can
- > >from proving theorems related to the continuum hypothesis.
- >
- > I have no objection to your inventing whatever mathematics you are
- > capable of, on the basis of any ideas whatever. My negative comments
- > are directed only at the notion that results in logic "show" that second
- > order non-finitary concepts are not well-defined, or that we can do
- > without them.
-
- I have not claimed that these concepts are either not well defined or that
- results in logic show we can do without them. My objection is a philosophical
- one and centers on the assumption that mathematics requires quantification
- over the reals be based on non-finitary concepts. You cannot define
- the ordinal of the recursive ordinals without quantifying over the reals.
- This is an important and useful concept. Does this mean that we must accept
- that the set of all reals as a completed infinite totality? I do not think so.
- I think the notion of an arbitrary path in a recursively enumerable tree is
- meaningful even though I think the set of all reals is not.
-
- Paul Budnik
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