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- From: rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel)
- Subject: Re: postpositive articles in English
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.210606.17249@cas.org>
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- References: <1992Nov19.190026.937@almserv.uucp> <1992Nov19.215659.4152@memstvx1.memst.edu>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:06:06 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.215659.4152@memstvx1.memst.edu>,
- connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
- |> In article <1992Nov19.190026.937@almserv.uucp>, alufml@fnma.COM
- |> (Francois-Michel Lang) writes:
- |> > In French, certain articles can appear either
- |> > (1) after the noun they modify, in which case
- |> > the adjective has its basic meaning, or
- |> > (2) before the noun, in which case the sense
- |> > of the adjective is metaphorical.
- |> >
- |> > E.g.,
- |> > "un sale voleur" (adjective noun) = "a [morally] filthy thief"
- |> > "un voleur sale" (noun adjective" = "a [physically] filthy thief"
- |> >
- |> > Are there are examples of such behaviour in English? It doesn't
- |> > even have to involve a transfer of sense; just an adjective that
- |> > can occur both pre-nominally and post-nominally would be good to see.
- |> > The only example I can come up with is something like "the city proper".
- |>
- |> There are some fossilized expressions of this sort in English:
- |>
- |> knight errant
- |> durance vile
- |> Chicken Little
- |>
- |> But these examples are true fossils; other nouns and adjectives cannot
- |> be substituted, and the adjective cannot be compared. In other words,
- |> there is no _*knight peripatetic_ or _*musician errant_, and certainly
- |> no _*durance vilest_. _Proper_ is unusual, perhaps unique, in that it
- |> is only postpositive in this usage and can be used after many other nouns
- |> than _city_. But even _proper_ cannot then be compared (_*city most
- |> proper_).
- |>
- |> --Leo Connolly
-
- There are a few others, like surgeon general, attorney general, secretary
- general, etc., which are relatively new coinages, so I don't think "fossil"
- is quite the right word, but this certainly isn't a particularly productive
- formation.
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