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- From: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
- Subject: Re: postpositive articles in English
- In-Reply-To: connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.233755.8867@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
- Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
- Reply-To: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
- Organization: Stanford University Academic Information Resources
- References: <1992Nov19.190026.937@almserv.uucp> <1992Nov19.215659.4152@memstvx1.memst.edu> <1992Nov20.165547.26076@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1992Nov20.130245.4164@memstvx1.memst.edu>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:37:55 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov20.130245.4164@memstvx1.memst.edu>, connolly@memstvx1 writes:
- >In article <1992Nov20.165547.26076@leland.Stanford.EDU>, alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson) writes:
- >> In article <1992Nov19.215659.4152@memstvx1.memst.edu>, connolly@memstvx1 writes:
- >>>There are some fossilized expressions of this sort in English:
- >>>
- >>> knight errant
- >>> durance vile
- >>> Chicken Little
- >>>
- >>>But these examples are true fossils; other nouns and adjectives cannot
- >>>be substituted, and the adjective cannot be compared. In other words,
- >>>there is no _*knight peripatetic_ or _*musician errant_, and certainly
- >>>no _*durance vilest_. _Proper_ is unusual, perhaps unique, in that it
- >>>is only postpositive in this usage and can be used after many other nouns
- >>>than _city_. But even _proper_ cannot then be compared (_*city most
- >>>proper_).
- >>>
- >>>--Leo Connolly
- >>
- >> There is, on the other hand, _durance most vile_.
- >
- >Gee, I missed that one! Or did I? Maybe not. The darned thing lacks
- >a determiner, without which there is no superlative meaning. Now _most_
- >is used for other things than to form suppletive superlatives. Perhaps
- >it is. What do you lurkers think?
-
- How would you characterize "most" in such sentences as
-
- I am most unhappy with that analysis
-
- then?
-
- I get two readings, by the bye.
- --
- Rich Alderson 'I wish life was not so short,' he thought. 'Languages take
- such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
- --J. R. R. Tolkien,
- alderson@leland.stanford.edu _The Lost Road_
-