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- From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment
- Subject: Re: The Ecocentric Criterion (again)
- Message-ID: <STEINLY.92Nov19120854@topaz.ucsc.edu>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 20:08:54 GMT
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- In-reply-to: tpalm@nada.kth.se's message of 19 Nov 92 09:03:06 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.090306.22174@kth.se> tpalm@nada.kth.se (Thomas Palm) writes:
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- In article <6966@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil>, rovero@guam.oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero) writes:
- |> with respect to Alan's latest post.....
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- |> If the target is 500 million people WORLD-WIDE, then the phrase
- |> "our descendants" won't mean much to too many people. You will have
- |> to prevent most of the current population from having descendants.
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- I'm surprised none has jumped on this yet. If every couple would have one
- child the population is reduced to half each generation, thus in 3-4 generations
- we are down to 500 million, while everybody has descendants.
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- Not quite true. First of all, if the mean # of children is 1 per
- couple, significant fraction will have 0 children, further a
- significant fraction of each generation either die before having
- children or have zero children so you rapdily bias the demographics.
- Secondly, although Europe and North America have flat (or slightly
- inverted) population profiles, most of the world has a steep
- pyramid population profile which continues to drive population growth after
- the birth rate drops. Thirdly, humans are not well modeled by
- single-generation-and-die population models, we're not dayflies,
- human life expectancy is about three generations, which produces a lag
- in population decline even if all other factors are working in your
- favour.
- Quite frankly the only way to decrease the human population by
- a significant amount on less than six generation time scale is plague
- or a catastrophic event. On longer time scales you can do it but
- have problems with social instabilities.
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