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- From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
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- Subject: Re: Notch another one up for the Greennazis
- Message-ID: <STEINLY.92Nov19115234@topaz.ucsc.edu>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 19:52:34 GMT
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- In-reply-to: gtclark@festival.ed.ac.uk's message of 19 Nov 92 13:54:55 GMT
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- In article <28409@castle.ed.ac.uk> gtclark@festival.ed.ac.uk (G T Clark) writes:
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- drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes:
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- >In article <28289@castle.ed.ac.uk> gtclark@festival.ed.ac.uk (G T Clark) writes:
- >> And as for Greenpeace wanting to disrupt the process,I just have
- >>to say that I thought protest was one of these democratic rights.
-
- >Legal protest, IMO, does not permit endangering others, nor does it
- >allow one to interfere with legal activities. This includes blockading
- >nuclear power plants, abortion clinics, naval weapons stations,
- >whatever. You can yell and scream about the activity all you want, but
- >if it is legal, you cannot interfere with it.
-
- >And if you deliberately put yourself in harm's way, you have no one to
- >blame but yourself if harm comes to you. If you really have so few
- >brain cells that you deliberately stand in front of a moving truck,
- >you deserve to get run over.
-
- I don't think that it's clear that lives were in danger,and in
- any case I don't think that that's the point.
-
- Ship collisions always involve risks to lives.
-
- ...
-
- If Greenpeace wish to make the point that trying to ship large
- amounts of the most toxic substance known,which also happens to be
- exceedingly fissionable,is a bit stupid,then their avenues are limited.
-
- Well, first if all Pu is not by any measure the most toxic substance
- known. Secondly, is Greenpeace seriously arguing that Pu stores in
- existence should remain precisely where they are now, or are they
- just trying to be difficult?
-
- Their usual tactic is to put their bodies in the front line,and this is
- what they`ve been doing here.If you have evidence of them attempting to
- injure people,why don't you tell us what it is? I can't really see how
-
- Well, if you allow indirect attempts, I'd say their refusal to back
- off from the Japanese ships is a deliberate action that increases the
- chance people will be harmed. To make an analogy, if somebody is
- driving an escorted hazardous load on the freeway, I say that
- tailgating them for publicity is reckless endangerment, and that
- if you try to cut back in when the escort cuts you off and signals
- you to back off, then you're being actively counterproductive.
- BTW if you did try that on the freeway you'd be in jail even
- if you were technically exercising your freedom to drive, going
- below the speed limit _and_ signaled as you cut back in behind
- the hazardous load...
-
- it is that this differs from (for instance) their "occupation" of the
- seas around French atmospheric H-bomb tests.
-
- ??? Do you mean the underground test in the pacific, or was
- Greenpeace really around in Algiers in the late 50's early 60's?
-
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- * steinly@lick.ucsc.edu "standard disclaimer" *
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- * Doesn't mean it's understood Specials, 1979 *
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