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- From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
- Subject: Re: NO! Re: flat taxes - yes!!!
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- Keywords: flat tax
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- References: <BxMAIK.Jnq@cck.coventry.ac.uk> <37673@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> <dmeyers.722289433@mal-s2>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:30:34 GMT
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- In article <dmeyers.722289433@mal-s2> dmeyers@mal-s2.gatech.edu (Dave Meyers) writes:
- >The problem with a flat consumption tax is that it becomes a de facto
- >regressive tax because more wealthy persons use a smaller proportion of
- >their income to purchase consumables. Ie. a more wealthy person can
- >afford to put money away into savings or other investments, where
- >presumably there wouldn't be that consumption tax assessed, whereas
- >a poor person might use 100% of his income to pay rent and buy food.
- >Suppose the wealthy person only used 80% of his income to buy consumables,
- >then the wealthy person is effectively paying a lower percentage of
- >his income in taxes.
-
- Hold on now. When a business spends some of the money it takes in on
- improving it's efficiency (ie. investment), it isn't counted as net income.
- The same should be true for individuals. I don't get to "enjoy" the money
- I spend on investments (and I might just lose it if I am unlucky), so
- why should I be taxed on it? Why should investments of any kind EVER be taxed?
-
- That said, I think you need to justify why you think that coercive taxation
- of any kind is justified. By what right does the government claim the right
- to take the money of anyone, even the rich, without their permission. If you
- want to advocate "fairness", you ought to answer that question first.
-
- >This is not to say that I have a solution to propose which would
- >be in fact just such a fair flat tax.
-
- Do you think that a voluntary tax would be fair? Perhaps one which is a
- 2% sales tax which allows the transaction to be guaranteed by the courts
- (sort of a user fee). Of course this would be voluntary, but transactions
- not subject to the fee would not be enforcable in case of disagreement. Of
- course the only way such a tax could be established is if the functions of
- government were limited to those described in the constitution, but then again,
- that's a good idea in the first place anyway.
-
- >Unless, perhaps, we tax
- >only certain classes of consumables, like not taxing purchases
- >of food, for example. This turns the problem around and makes it
- >a more progressive acting flat tax.
-
- >Maybe the better way would be a flat income tax with extremely few
- >(or no) exemptions.
-
- That would be better than the "progressive" system we now have, but
- you really do need to have "exemptions" to account for the fact that
- people (and businesses) have business expenses. For example, if you
- buy $1,000,000 worth of widgets and sell them for $1,001,000, at a
- flat 10% rate you'd have to pay $100,100 in taxes. That's clearly
- crazy.
-
- --Brian
- --Brian
-
-