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- From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
- Subject: Re: The global recession will last until 2000
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:31:53 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.084308.9139@edinboro.edu> c663712c@edinboro.edu writes:
- >In article <1992Nov7.093234.8988@edinboro.edu>, s462075d@edinboro.edu writes:
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- > The fact is that we are not in a global recession. The U.S.
- >economy<contrary to popular belief> is growing around 3%. Japan, which
- >hasn't experienced the kind of growth they did over the last ten years,
- >is growing around 3% also.
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- But why is it legitimate, except as a matter of convention, custom,
- and tradition, to equate "the economy" to GDP? While the US experiences
- modest GDP growth, jobs are continuing to decline. I submit that
- from a political point of view jobs carry more weight, and since modern
- economies are heavily dependent on the role of government in terms
- of tax, spending, regulatory, and other issues and if you want any hope
- of reducing this role you need to have the right political climate.
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- But note the political response to higher unemployment: the US elected
- a Democrat, not a party known for smaller government. The Tories are
- floundering in the UK only 6 months after winning a stunning election
- upset, Japan has embarked on a big government spending program to
- try to counter its economic stagnation. And the European continent
- while moving to the "right", is adopting the usual European form of
- "rightist" politics which emphasizes government-industry cooperation,
- trade barriers, etc -- not exactly free markets.
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- So I submit that GDP is no longer the best harbinger of economic
- performance, but instead that "jobs" is the metric we need to use.
- And from a "jobs" perspective we are very much in a recession.
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- > Europe overall will be moving toward growth due to the Treaty of Maastrich,
- > which in case you didn't know plans to unify most of Europe with one common
- >currency and free trade also.
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- 18 months ago Maastrich looked like a sure bet. Look again: Maastrich
- is in deep doo-doo just now (note to readers: sorry to use a technical
- term, but this *is* sci.econ).
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- > I must not also leave out NAFTA, which is the North American Free Trade
- > Agreement, which(in case you have been living in a cave for the last 6
- > months) will promote free trade and no tariffs between Mexico, Canada,
- > and the U.S. by 1996.
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- . . . Assuming there *is* a Canada by then. But anyway, NAFTA is by
- no means a sure bet, either, and anyway economists are far from
- unanimous about what its actual effects will be.
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- ---peter
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