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- From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
- Subject: Re: jobs, again
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:15:33 GMT
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- In article <37651@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky) writes:
- >>> I have repeatedly asked various people who think I'm
- >>> being too pessimistic to name the areas or industries
- >>> where they anticipate growth in good-quality jobs.
- >>> What would you advise a college freshman to major in
- >>> today? What would you advise a laid-off autoworker
- >>> to seek training in?
- >>>
- >>> Invariably, answer came there none.
- >
- >>I would agree 100%. I recommend re-reading E. F. Schumacher's 1973 classic,
- >>"Small is Beautiful" to see how thoroughly ignored he has been and how our
- >>failure to see the error of our economic policy has brought us to the state
- >
- >Corporations are leaving because of high taxes and regulations here in
- >the US.
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- Perhaps Mr. Hranicky would care to document this? While I certainly
- don't disagree that our tax and regulatory environment is nothing
- to brag about, I think Mr. Hranicky would have a hard time actually
- showing a causal relationship between job losses to overseas com-
- petitors and these factors. Most of the big US companies that are
- downsizing are doing so all over -- HP's *worldwide* workforce is
- lower, as is that of many other companies. You just plain *don't
- need* so many people to do what was once done. Toyota can build
- a car with half as many people as Ford can. And in case Mr. Hranicky
- doesn't read the papers, the current economic downturn is *worldwide*.
-
- So while I also would like to see lower taxes and fewer regulations,
- I think the issues are much more fundamental than that.
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- >On the subject of where someone should find a job, consider this:
- >
- >If the economy were allowed to flourish without the government pulling
- >massive amounts of capital from it, or passing stupid laws like the minimum
- >wage law, or giving unions the power to push up nominal wage rates,
- >there would be plenty of jobs for those who needed them.
-
- Evidence?
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- > Also, where did all the workers displaced from the horse-and-buggy
- > industries find more jobs?
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- In new industries that employed lots of workers (e.g., autos). We have
- lots of new industries today -- there are industries today that didn't
- exist *at all* a decade of two ago. But they're not very labor intensive.
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- > The jobs would be out there is we had a free market.
-
- This sounds like religious faith to.
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- >Personally, I would advise college freshman to major in some computer
- >related field (like me.)
-
- I hope it's not too late for him to reconsider his major: Total
- employment by computer professionals in the US has dropped in
- *each* of the last 4 years (i.e., since BEFORE the recession began)
- and overall more jobs have been lost in the computer industry than
- in the auto industry during the same time (source: EE Times). Right
- now THE ONLY source that I've found projecting even *modest* growth
- in computer-related jobs is Megan Barkume of the BLS (a *government*
- agency, for Mr. Hranicky's information), and Barkume made the same
- projection five years ago and we saw how that turned out!
-
- So my question still stands: what happened to all you net.optimists?
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- ---peter
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