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- From: bgrahame@eris.demon.co.uk (Robert D Grahame)
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- Subject: Convincing others of cryonics?
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- References: <1992Nov15.202437.13829@hellgate.utah.edu>
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:01:10 +0000
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- In article <1992Nov15.202437.13829@hellgate.utah.edu> tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu writes:
- >INVESTIGATING cryonics. How can you get them interested? I would
- >like to hear other ideas.
-
- First off, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to 'sell' cryonics this way. the
- last thing I'd like to do is raise someone's expectations and then see them
- dashed when they see how far off it might be. Better to get over the idea of
- possible physical immortality (without a spell in the cooler) first, perhaps?
-
- After all, what's the use of being revived and having your illness cured,
- only to grow senile soon afterwards.
-
- A good starter may be 'how did you get interested?'. In my case it was
- through interest in (non-extreme) methods of life extension. Even then , I
- didn't do much more than glance at the subject until I got interested in
- Drexler's stuff.
-
- >1) Cryonics is basically time travel. So ask "If you had the opportunity
-
- A one-way trip is a last resort. I'd rather get to the future the long way
- round if possible, personally. :-) Also, the future in that novel is hardly
- one to persuade people to queue up for the trip!
-
- Heinlein's 'The Door into Summer' is better (cryonics *and* time travel), but
- I did not read it until some time after I had found out about the subject. It
- features two-way travel as well, which may be offputting to many as even more
- far-fetched.
-
- >2) Cryonics makes good gambling sense. (I posted a long note about this
-
- This argument works well only after someone is interested, and has not got a
- pre-concieved idea that it is impossible. While reversible cryonics is still
- 'vapourware' as another poster puts it, the odds are not that dissimilar from
- Pascal's wager.
-
- >3) Cryonics is merely another medical procedure, and a lot less costly than
- >many other medical procedures. For instance, the entire cost of cancer
-
- Yes, well, lobotomy is merely another medical procedure, and it's cheaper.
- <grin>
- We need far more real medical evidence that cryonics will work before this
- argument works well. That said, some familiarity with medical procedures is
- helpful, as proof that people can survive states in which neuronal firing is
- temporarily disrupted, and so that the actual suspension techniques are less
- shocking. Also, this could make people realise that 'death' is not such a
- black & white state. Dead in 1700 is just 'critical' in 1992.
-
- >What are other approaches?
-
- Well, nanotechnology is an interesting subject in it's own right, and is the
- current favourite repair strategy, so a copy of one of Drexler's books may
- help (I've only read EoC).
-
- -- Bob Grahame, Streatham, London. LAN Consultant
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