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- From: tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman)
- Subject: Re: Convincing others of cryonics?
- Date: 16 Nov 92 13:13:14 MST
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.131315.23135@hellgate.utah.edu>
- Organization: University of Utah, CompSci Dept
- References: <1992Nov15.202437.13829@hellgate.utah.edu> <1992Nov16.151921.17649@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- >>2) Cryonics makes good gambling sense. (I posted a long note about this
- >>months ago) You are basically gambling, with an investment and with
- >>a possible return. Therefore figure out how much (100 years or so) extra
- >>life is worth, and what your investment return is.
-
- >Huh? How do you figure you get "extra" life by cryonics? You assume there
- >would be no wear and tear on the body due to any cryonic process, but you
- >also assume that life expectency and quality of life will continue to
- >increase in the future. What about new viruses (like a super-AIDS) or
- >ozone destruction or ....
- >
- >Any increase in life expectency would be due to advances at the time of
- >reawakening. This assumes alot.
-
- You are correct in many ways. I take for granted that the aging process
- will have been eliminated (already research is somewhat promising here).
- Your future "life expectancy" may not be as long as I projected above due
- to some natural cause death as well (accidental explosion, super AIDS).
- Some of these will allow you to be frozen again though, so you would skip
- through time...
-
- The point though is to evaluate from the knowledge available what you
- believe the probability is for return, and an estimated time of return.
- Then figure out the cash value of these extra years, and determine if
- the investment is worth the risk.. Do the calculation, I am not kidding!
-
- >>3) Cryonics is merely another medical procedure, and a lot less costly than
- >>many other medical procedures. For instance, the entire cost of cancer
- >>therapy, or of any major disease. These procedures most reasonable people
- >>undertake, with perhaps the same (or less) odds than cryonics. (How about
- >>the cost of AIDS... which is certainly terminal, odds are even worse here)
-
- >Are you only talking about cryonics for terminally ill patients? Because if
- >you are not talking about terminally ill patients, I'd like to hear what
- >sort of system (besides vaporware) you are describing.
-
- Every person walking on this planet is terminally ill with aging and disease.
- They ALL are dying, including you and me. If it were possible to cure this
- disease (as cryonics + future medicine hopefully promises) then one would
- pay for it...
-
- >How can you describe unknown "odds" of cryonics then, and even
- >compare them with proven medical methods like cancer therapy.
-
- Good question. I place the actual chance of revival at about 0.1% to 1%
- as a low estimate. Even with this percentage of success, it is worth it
- (to me) financially. Probably most cryonics patients place the odds much
- higher, and people outside of cryonics would make it lower. However, I have
- some certain faith in advancing technology. If one believes in fate and
- other superstitous gobbly goo then your percentage of revival is already
- determined. You will not revive if you don't freeze, and you will revive if
- you are fated to.
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