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- From: tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman)
- Newsgroups: sci.cryonics
- Subject: Re: Convincing others of cryonics?
- Message-ID: <BxtqzD.FFD.1@cs.cmu.edu>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 19:47:25 GMT
- Article-I.D.: cs.BxtqzD.FFD.1
- References: <1992Nov15.202437.13829@hellgate.utah.edu>
- <1992Nov16.151921.17649@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
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- In-Reply-To: wk5w@brain.med.virginia.edu's message of Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:19:21 GMT
- Originator: tsf@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU
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- In article <1992Nov16.151921.17649@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wk5w@brain.med.virginia.edu (William Katz) writes:
-
- This is the first article I have read in this newsgroup. So if there
- has been prior discussion of subjects, I am unaware of it.
-
- There is a monthly FAQ that should not have expired yet in your news
- queue. It is obviously not there for some reason. Send me mail if
- you want a copy; it's 9 parts, 50K total, largest part 11K.
-
- How do you figure you get "extra" life by cryonics? You assume there
- would be no wear and tear on the body due to any cryonic process, but you
- also assume that life expectency and quality of life will continue to
- increase in the future.
-
- You have it backwards. The assumption is that freezing does so much
- damage that anyone who could repair that much damage could easily cure
- any currently existing disease or aging.
-
- Are you only talking about cryonics for terminally ill patients?
-
- Legally dead patients. Depending on how you twist the words around,
- legally dead plausibly implies terminally ill, so the answer to your
- question could plausibly be "yes".
-
- I am not aware of
- ANY use of cryonics on human subjects (even the legal implications are
- severe).
-
- Well, it happens, but only after they are legally dead. I agree that
- legal complications are a nuisance, and that they are very severe if
- it is done before legal death.
-
- Unlike Tolman, I have given up on arguing for cryonics. After someone
- hears about the idea and has absorbed all the literature they are
- interested in, they typically have a firm belief that either it may
- work or it definitely won't work. Someone who believes that it won't
- work (after all of their questions have been answered) typically
- believes this with such religious fervor that arguing with them is
- pointless. Furthermore, the rationalizations for their belief are so
- bogus that asking them how they came to their conclusions is also
- pointless. I would like to believe that people who come to the
- conclusion that it may work are more reasonable, but I'm not really in
- a position to judge.
- --
- Tim Freeman <tsf@cs.cmu.edu> CompuServe ID 71045,2267 checked occasionally.
- When they took the fourth amendment, I was silent because I don't deal drugs.
- When they took the sixth amendment, I kept quiet because I know I'm innocent.
- When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I don't own a gun.
- Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.
-