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- From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
- Subject: Racist/Sexist Role Models
- Message-ID: <Bxy3s7.DI2@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
- Organization: Quake Public Access
- References: <BxsG1I.69L@quake.sylmar.ca.us> <1992Nov16.222410.16897@nhgs.vak12ed.edu>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:14:30 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.222410.16897@nhgs.vak12ed.edu> pgolden@nhgs.vak12ed.edu (Patrick S. Golden) writes:
- >I'm sorry you find this "racist". It is certainly not our
- >intent to foster that attitude, but, rather, to present all
- >students with role models for them to emulate.
-
- But that is exactly my point. On what basis are you suggesting that the
- students emulate these people or respect them? If you said "Look at this
- person, he is intelligent, productive, and interesting. He's having a great
- time doing his job. You should try to be like him because of that." You
- wouldn't be sending a racist message. On the other hand, you can say "This
- person is of your race/sex, and therefore you ought to try to emulate him."
- that is a racist/sexist premise. Racism is not "White males oppressing
- minorities and women." (although it is a species of racism). Racism is
- acting as though race makes a difference where it does not. You are doing
- exactly that...and in the name of anti-racism.
-
- You should consider more than your intent, which is probably not bad, but
- look at the implicit message you are sending to these kids. You are saying
- "Only if people of your race/sex/whatever have done X can you be expected to be
- able or interested in X.". Remember too, that if you successfully teach that
- lesson, what about people who actually are from a background of ignorance
- poverty and barbarism? Are they to think that they don't deserve to be
- intelligent, civilized and successful? Pointing out someone's race in regard
- to motivation for attempting some accomplishment is based on exactly the
- same false premise as the more blatant forms of racism.
-
- >Our broadcasts feature primarily females and underrepresented
- >minority students because studies show that these students may
- >be especially sensitive to the support and example of other
- >successful students.
-
- Rather than trying to teach them the (often untrue) lesson that "Lots of
- women and minorities do X, therefore you should want to as well.", why not
- teach the simpler and best of all true lesson that "Race and sex don't matter
- in your ability or interest. If you are interested in becomin a chemist,
- your race and sex are of zero importance, except to racists."
-
- >Perhaps you should read the 1990 RAND Corp. report, "Lost
- >Talent: The Underparticipation of Women, Minorities and
- >Disabled Persons in Science" by Jeannie Oakes.
-
- What new things do you think I would learn? That there are more white
- males in these professions than in the general population? That's no
- surprise. My point is that instilling racist premises in the minds of
- students in school is exactly the opposite of what is needed to eliminate
- racism in society.
-
- >I think you will find that in our culture race and sex have
- >made a difference in the ability of certain groups achieving.
- >Perhaps you mean our culture is racist. If so, I would agree.
-
- I think that there are racist ideas afoot in the culture. I also think
- that some portion of those racist ideas are in the form you are pushing.
- (There are also the conventional David Duke-style racists, and the Louis
- Farakahn-style racists as well.). My point is that you are teaching students
- a racist lesson my telling them that racial role models are important.
-
- >Our Consortium, in addition to the broadcast refered to in the
- >original post, sponsors scholarships and fellowships for
- >students at five Virginia schools. (Similar consortia exist in
- >every other state, D.C. and Puerto Rico) Last year our awards
- >included 56% made to students who were female or traditionally
- >underrepresented minority members. If we're racist, were
- >spending our money in the wrong place.
-
- There is another perfect example of racism. You chose those people not on
- the basis of their intelligence or aptitude, but on the basis of their
- sex and race. That IS racism/sexism every bit as much as if you had
- special scholarships for white males only. The racist/sexist premise that
- people ought to be treated differntly based on their sex/race rather than
- as an individual with unique abilities and interests is wrong no matter
- who the beneficiary happens to be.
-
- --Brian
-