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- From: hdev@dutiag.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught)
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- Subject: Re: What can we have for an educational system?
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- Date: 18 Nov 92 23:57:44 GMT
- References: <1992Nov12.162137.24580@news.unige.ch> <BxsELH.65C@quake.sylmar.ca.us> <1992Nov16.143453.22123@news.unige.ch> <BxwrDA.6ns@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
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- brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Nov16.143453.22123@news.unige.ch> swann@divsun.unige.ch (SWANN Philip) writes:
- >>On the contrary, I think that the legal and medical professions contain
- >>about the same proportion of mediocrities and incompetents as the teaching
- >>profession does.
-
- >On what basis do you reach that conclusion? If nothing else, I have never had
- >a medical problem which was not well-treated by my doctor. I have never
- >had bad advice from my lawyer. I have, over and over again, had teachers
- >who have been ignorant of the subject matter, and unable to clearly
- >explain what they did know. Additionally, I have never had a doctor who
- >thought that sickness was OK. I HAVE had teachers who thought that
- >ignorance was perfectly acceptable.
-
- >Where did you get this impression?
-
- You didn't ask me, but ...
-
- Well, I've worked in an academical hospital and during that time I've seen
- lots of doctor's doing their research. In the many chats I've had with them,
- you'll here them complaining about the weak ones. If they argue the competence
- of them, is that a good enough impression?
-
- It is often the case that people treat the medical profession as Holy People.
- You don't question His treatement... Sorry, but I do. You probably have heard
- this before: doctors are the worse patients. Of course, they know what can go
- wrong.
-
- But that's life. In most cases the absence of errors means that no work has
- been done :-). But some minor mistakes (quite likely to happen) aren't that
- bad. I remember a research stating that 1/3 of the diagnoses were wrong. Most
- of them were not totally wrong or were wrongly treated (you'll be surprised if
- you know how many illnesses are treated the same), but still the diagnose was
- not correct.
-
- Good doctors make less errors than bad ones, but don't forget they all make
- errors. But hack, sometimes you need one of them, so you have to go to them.
- Even a bad one knows more of medicine than you do and any doctor can do the
- simple stuff.
- --
- Hans de Vreught | John von Neumann:
- hdev@dutiba.twi.tudelft.nl | Young man, in mathematics
- Delft University of Technology (TWI-ThI) | you don't understand things,
- The Netherlands | you just get used to them.
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