home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Path: sparky!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!pacbell.com!sgiblab!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!kck
- From: kck+@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kluge)
- Subject: Re: Ages in Chaos
- Message-ID: <C1Jnun.L5n.2@cs.cmu.edu>
- Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System)
- Nntp-Posting-Host: g.gp.cs.cmu.edu
- Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:18:21 GMT
- Lines: 48
-
- > Subject: Ages in Chaos
- > From: news@fedfil.UUCP (news)
- > Date: 22 Jan 93 04:53:47 GMT
- >
- > More recently, a brilliant German archiologist, Heinsohn, who I believe is
- > from Bremen, has written at least one book along similar lines, backed
- > by extensive archeological work. A team of more traditional German scholars
- > set out to disprove the thesis of the recent book by actually demonstrating
- > the existence of an archeological layer (intervening), the non-existence
- > of which was crucial to Heinsohn's thesis, and they discovered that this
- > layer did not exist and, thunderstruck, they called in an internationally
- > recognized expert who confirmed this finding.
-
- I'd be interested in a summary of this article, outlining Heinsohn's scheme
- (perhaps a brief table like the ones in Stiebing's discussion of
- chronological revisions in OUT OF THE DESERT showing the synchronisms he
- uses), and a more detailed description of the nature of the test, including
- pointers to any more accessible sources of a report on this. Did the people
- performing the work publish? I'll also be interested in seeing the
- discussion of Stiebing's critique mentioned in the promo you posted for the
- VELIKOVSKIAN.
-
- > Another article along similar lines is by Ginenthal himself, and concerns
- > the great Babylonian king Hammourabi who is thought to have lived around
- > 2500 years before Christ. Scholars have long noted striking similarities
- > between Hammourabi and Darius; both were sixth in lines of eleven kings,
- > and the careers of the two appear in many ways to have been nearly
- > identical. They should appear nearly identical; Hammourabi turns out
- > to be a ghost image of Darius; other than that, he never existed.
-
- I don't think this will work at all. One of the fixed points relating
- Egyptian, Babylonian, and Hittite chronology is a record of the death of
- Mursilis I (1590 BCish according to the standard chronology) a few years
- after he conquered Babylon and ended the First Babylonian Dynasty (of which
- Hammourabi was a member). In fact, looking at a chart of the standard
- chronology, the First Babylonian Dynasty is roughly contemporary with the
- Egyptian Middle Kingdom. Keeping in mind that V. wanted to synchronize the
- end of the Middle Kingdom with the Exodus, Darius could hardly be
- Hammourabi. So for this to work, G. would have to explain the Mursilis
- synchronism away somehow.
-
- Another problem relates to dating. As I've pointed out before, C-14 dating
- corrected by tree rings unquestionably establishes RELATIVE chronology,
- regardless of whether one accepts the absolute dates. One of the very
- highest priorities when C-14 dating first came into use was fixing the date
- of Hammourabi (see Libby's RADIOCARBON DATING). What dating of artifacts
- (pottery styles, carbon or thermoluminescence dating, etc) does G. invoke to
- support this identification?
-