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- From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: They want to debate Phillip Johnson
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 07:15:50 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan26.231136.8562@nmsu.edu>, epowers@mccoy (POWERS) writes:
- |> In article <1jvlplINNl54@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com
- |> (Jon Livesey) writes:
- |> > In article <C1DrDw.39y@world.std.com>, pduggan@world.std.com (Paul C
- |> Duggan) writes:
- |> > |> In article <1993Jan24.134326@IASTATE.EDU> kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren
- |> Vonroeschlaub) writes:
- |> > |> >In article <qXiuXB1w165w@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us>,
- |> > |> >system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us (Kalki Dasa) writes:
- |> > |> >>The basis of Darwinism is materialism, i.e. the proposition that
- |> > |> >>there is nothing in existence except matter and material energy,
- |> and
- |> > |> >>nothing ever influences matter except other matter or material
- |> energy.
- |> > |> >
- |> > |> > False.
- |> > |> >[...]
- |> > |> > If you cannot devise a test for these things, then they might as
- |> well not
- |> > |> >exist. What difference does it make?
- |> > |>
- |> > |> A test that a scientist would use would be a test involving material
- |> energy
- |> > |> or matter, would it not? So how is that you describe the materialist
- |> > |> presupposition of Darwinism as "False"? You seem to be saying the
- |> > |> exact same thing by your request for a material test.
- |> > |>
- |> > |> Am I mistaken?
- |> >
- |> > You can have a material test for the material effects of immaterial
- |> > influences.
- |> >
- |> > jon.
- |>
- |> No, you can't. Anything observed is always assumed to have a
- |> natural cause, whether or not a naturalistic explanation is immediately
- |> apparent. The supernatural is automatically cut out of science.
-
- Really? So if someone says that his immaterial power is going to
- increase to weight of a dime by ten percent, I may not measure the
- dime?
-
- If a sect claims that their God performs miracle cures, I may not
- do statistics on their life expectancy?
-
- Please explain.
-
- jon.
-