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- From: hyde@cs.dal.ca (Bill Hyde)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Moon Dust
- Message-ID: <C1H5ts.1o0@cs.dal.ca>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 18:53:51 GMT
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- In article <1k21o2INN9c9@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
- |> In article <1993Jan25.235631.4019@news.uiowa.edu>, cdminter@icaen.uiowa.edu (Corey D Minter) writes:
- |> |> hyde@cs.dal.ca (Bill Hyde) writes:
- |> |>
- |> |> > Does this tell you something about
- |> |> > their honesty?
- |> |>
- |> |> I think that is not it at all. This phenomena may show that we are
- |> |> talking about a group of people that is not interested in surveying
- |> |> all the information that is out there. They tend to put a lot of
- |> |> effort in drudging up 'older' references only rather than doing
- |> |> some real work and seeing what is out there and deciding for themselves.
- |> |>
- |> |> So, I don't think it is a matter of honesty directly, though it comes
- |> |> to that when their beliefs are exposed. Then they might find it hard
- |> |> to overcome the fact that they were wrong.
- |>
- |>
- |> I think you may both be wrong. I think Creationists are more
- |> like lawyers. They are more interested in finding cheap and easy
- |> arguments to convince a jury their way, than they are in arriving
- |> at the truth.
-
-
- Well, I regard the knowing use of a false argument as
- dishonesty. I don't see what else it can be characterized
- as.
-
- In a courtroom in which an innocent person may suffer if
- the prosecution gains a false conviction it may be ethical
- to try such arguments on the jury (though if the prosecution
- successfully refutes them it may only make matters worse for
- the client), but to use it in a scientific debate is simply
- to lie. An exception occurs if the individual does not
- understand why the argument is wrong. I cannot conceive that
- the leading creationist authors could be feebleminded enough
- to not see the flaws in the moon dust argument, once these
- were pointed out.
-
-
-
- Bill Hyde
- Department of Oceanography
- Dalhousie University,
- Halifax, Nova Scotia
- hyde@Ice.ATM.Dal.Ca or hyde@dalac
-