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- From: rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
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- Subject: Re: THE MIND OF THE BIBLE BELIEVER
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- Date: 25 Jan 93 23:50:06 GMT
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- In article <1k182mINN3d1@dmsoproto.ida.org> rlg@omni
- (Randy garrett) writes:
-
- >I'm familiar with Sir Karl [Popper]
-
- From your previous writings, that wasn't at all clear.
-
- >I'm a physicist, so we tend to define terms more precisely.
-
- Really? Would you care to support that statement? My hypothesis at
- this point is that your statement is one of pure bigotry arising, in
- part, from an ignorance of biology. I'd be much obliged if you would
- falsify that hypothesis in future writings.
-
- > I'll stick by my definition of a fact. Facts and theories are two
- >quite different things. See my related post on this thread.
-
- Yes, let's see that post. You said (in article
- <1k17i4INN3d1@dmsoproto.ida.org>):
-
- }Well, you proved a negative hypothesis. I am considered terms in
- }a little more mathematically rigorous fashion than is perhaps
- }common and this may be the cause of some miscommunications.
-
- Do *you* think that *any* scientists accurately uses the word "prove"
- in the sense that mathematicians use the word?
-
- and you also wrote:
-
- }I would call a fact an individually observable, independently
- }verifiable piece of information. A theory is more a model that
- }attempts to the facts.
-
- In your "precise" definitions, is the statement:
-
- The earth revolves around the sun.
-
- a fact or a theory?
-
- and:
-
- }I believe my definition of species is a pretty commonly accepted one.
-
- Well, let's just go see about that. You wrote:
-
- >There seems to be some disagreement among posters of this thread
- >about exactly how many instances of speciation has really been
- >observed. ...
-
- and then asked:
-
- >If the plant species were really that similar, is there, perhaps a
- >possibility that the taxonomic classifications are in error?
-
- If you are using the "commonly accepted" definition of the word
- "species", does your question make even a tiny amount of sense? Since
- you've now been told that the plants in question are no longer
- interfertile with their parent populations, will you accept that
- speciation has occurred?
-
- >Randy G.
-
- Mickey Rowe (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)
-
- P.S. If you *really* want to observe speciation yourself, I suggest
- that you take up the hobby of breeding whiptailed lizards. Get some
- from the genus _Cnemidophorus_, and house different species together
- for a while. You should get some interesting results within your
- lifetime.
-