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- From: jviv@usmi04.midland.chevron.com (John Viveiros)
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- Subject: Re: Ideology and Indoctrination
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- Date: 25 Jan 93 23:38:22 GMT
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- I would like someone to explain to me what Phillip Johnson believes in
- in somewhat less that 5000 words. Let me see if I can guess from
- reading (okay, skimming through pages of stuff) his articles:
-
- *Slow Darwinian evolution is inadequate (my word). I agree. I am not
- totally convinced that we understand how the various biotic explosions
- have occurred; the argument for increased competition for newly opened
- ecological niches just doesn't do it for me. This does not invalidate
- evolution, or validate creation, it simply states my personal belief
- that science has not presented a convincing mechanism to me.
-
- *Biologists and Paleontologist are actively supressing data that
- conflicts with slow Darwinian evolution. BULLSHIT. There would be no
- better feather in the cap of any scientist than to destroy an old
- paradigm. It's the first thing people will do to make a name for
- themselves. As a geologist, if I could come up with a better
- alternative than plate tectonics, we'd be talking about Viveiros's
- isostacy rather than Wegener's continental drift or Wilson cycles.
-
- *Life could not possibly evolve to the complexity we see it today.
- (I think Phillip allows us 4 billion years). I agree that it seems
- incredibly unlikely that proteins, DNA, etc could have evolved by
- accident. It seems like the present research still doesn't make this
- step easy. Phillip takes on faith that God had an active role.
- Scientists take on faith that known scientific principles (but unknown
- processes) were sufficient. The evidence is not convincing either way.
-
- *Life has evolved, but it is not Darwinian evolution. I think what Phillip
- wants to say is that it is not a natural process. (Couldn't you just
- say that without the pages of stuff that come with it). I've posted
- before that I don't give a rip about "Darwin's" theory of the mechanism
- of evolution, I can *see* the evidence that it has occurred. I guess my
- best argument against evolution as a supernatural process is the
- absolute waste of creating dinosaurs, trilobites, and all the other less
- significant (to the non-paleontologist) extinctions. Why would God
- create species man had no use for, since they were essentially created
- for mankind's use (loose interpretation of Genesis)?
-
- Please correct me if I have mistated science's or your position Phillip
- (or if you are too busy, someone else could point out where I
- misinterpreted Phillip's discourse).
-
- These posts should come with abstracts :-).
-
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