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- From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Who is Christian - a simple answer
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- Date: 25 Jan 93 23:53:25 GMT
- References: <1jpv95INN5rq@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1k18seINN3d1@dmsoproto.ida.org>
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- In article <1k18seINN3d1@dmsoproto.ida.org>, rlg@omni (Randy garrett) writes:
- |> : You appear to have neglected the possibility that he sincerely
- |> : believed he was divine, but was mistaken. That makes him a
- |> : person in error, not a liar. It also makes him no hypocrite,
- |> X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
- |>
- |> This is a good argument and I agree with many of your points.
- |> There are indeed many people walking around today claiming to
- |> be divine, whom I would not characterize as crazy (Looney, yes;
- |> clinically crazy, probably not).
- |>
- |> :
- |> : That only shows how silly *you* are. If someone says we are to
- |> : forgive our enemies, and also holds some nutty theological ideas,
- |> : you're going to "put no credence" in forgiving your enemies?
- |> :
- |>
- |> And even clocks that are stopped have the right time twice
- |> a day (provided they're not on military time). Anyone can
- |> accidentally be right. The problem is, why should I believe
- |> what they say.
-
- I didn't say that you *should* believe what they say. I said
- that their nuttiness in a particular area is not evidence that
- you can generalise to everything they say.
-
- |> Since a large portion of Jesus's pronouncements
- |> are predicated on His divinity, He may (as you say) be accidentally
- |> right from time to time, but how can I know which times are right
- |> and which aren't.
-
- What do you mean when you say "accidentally" right? If you think
- that X pronouncement is based in claims of divinity, adn you don't
- beleive his claims of divinity - and neither do I, by the way -
- then disbelieve what you think needs a claim to divinity to make
- it true.
-
- For the rest, he's as qualified to have an opinion as are the
- rest of us. The fact that he may have claimed divinity has little
- to do with his moral lessons, for example.
-
- |> To go back to the myriad of people claiming
- |> to be divine, and also making lots of concommitant claims as a
- |> result -- I don't pay much attention to them either. Maybe,
- |> you're right and I am just being silly ...
-
- You are if you disbelieve them on some topic unrelated to
- these claims.
-
- |>
- |> :
- |> : |>
- |> : |> Or
- |> : |> We're in a heap of trouble if what He claimed was true ...
- |> :
- |> : You mean you can speak for him? Now who's the nut?
- |>
- |> Only in the respect that I can repeat what is said in the Bible.
- |> This appears to be the most reliable source of what Jesus says.
-
- Yeah, well we all know that what the Bible says doesn't matter a
- row of beans. That's why we need a thousand and three different
- churches to interpret it for us.
-
- jon.
-