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- From: weasel@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Rosenberg)
- Subject: Re: Ideology and Indoctrination
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:16:03 GMT
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- In article <1k0tpu$5mp@agate.berkeley.edu> philjohn@garnet.berkeley.edu (Phillip Johnson) writes:
- >I wrote in another thread that dogmatic Darwinists should
- >practice seeing themselves as others see them. What I meant is
- >that many outsiders see them not as the pure truth-seekers they
- >claim to be, but as ideologues similar to their close cousins in
- >the family of scientific materialist ideology, the Marxists and
- >the Freudians. The problem is not so much that Darwinists tell
- >deliberate untruths as that they believe their own propaganda,
- >and interpret everything they see as confirming the ideology that
- >controls their own thinking.
-
- and
-
- >I recognize that this frank talk will cause offense. My purpose
- >is not to insult anyone, however, but to free minds. Many of you
- >have been indoctrinated not to question assumptions that are
- >based on ideology rather than evidence. You can be free of that
- >indoctrination if you wish to be.
-
- I don't find this 'frank' talk offensive, but I think you should look at it
- reciprocally.
-
- If you replace 'Darwinists' with 'Creationists' in the first paragraph above
- then I think the paragraphs are equally valid statements as to the
- indoctrination of creationists. Except that most Darwinists will attempt to
- point to evidence supporting their theory. What do creationists point to?
-
- >--
- >Phillip E. Johnson
- > School of Law, University of California, Berkeley CA 94720
- >
-
- --Mike
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