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- From: bvickers@valentine.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
- Subject: Re: Who does Phillip Johnson think the creationists are?
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- Reply-To: bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
- Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
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- Date: 25 Jan 93 19:51:03 GMT
- References: <2B53B66F.8366@ics.uci.edu> <1993Jan25.130636.1@woods.ulowell.edu>
-
- >> Are there
- >> any scientific claims made by creationists that have not been
- >> falsified, and what are they?
-
- Ray Cote's reply to this question is illuminating because it clearly
- illustrates the scientific bankruptcy of creationism. He comes up
- with three answers to this question, not one of which is a scientific
- claim that has not been falsified. Let's look at them one by one.
-
- cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
-
- > 1. God's existence. Some may believe this is unscientific, but I argue
- > that it has a profound impact on scientific thought.
-
- This requires almost no response since Ray himself admits that it
- is not a scientific claim to say that "God exists." The fact
- that he even included it at all suggests to me that he felt his
- list was too short and had to add at least one more claim so
- as not to appear ignorant. Backfire.
-
- > 2. Non-constant speed of light (although I for one don't beleive this is
- > central to Creationism).
-
- This is the one scientific claim made (or repeated) by Ray Cote that
- can be answered. It is falsified. See the next article.
-
- > 3. Non-constant decay rates (I'll try to get a list of secular sources
- > that actually show that the decay constants of radioactive substances
- > can change).
-
- Unsubstantiated, therefore there is nothing to answer.
-
- >There are probably more, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.
-
- The fact that you can think of only *one* scientific claim that
- creationists have made -- one that has been falsified, by the way --
- suggests to me that you do not accept scientific creationism on its
- scientific merits, but on its religious merits. You did not even
- think the *one* scientific claim you made was central to creationism!
- Thank you for illustrating the creationist's typical sheep-like
- behavior when it comes to discussing his "science."
-
- --
- Brett J. Vickers
- bvickers@ics.uci.edu
-