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- From: brinkman@si151a.llnl.gov
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Yet Another Saturn Myth Variant
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.111236.1@si151a.llnl.gov>
- Date: 21 Jan 93 19:12:36 GMT
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- In article <234@fedfil.UUCP> news@fedfil.UUCP (news) "The Inimitable
- One" writes...
-
- > Perhaps the earth was being held in an electro-magnetic baricenter, and
- > the gravitational forces were yet unequal.
-
- And I suppose there would be "nothing magical there" either? Ted, just to
- help clarify your thoughts, let me introduce you to a wee bit of elementary
- physics.
-
- If the Earth were at an "electro-magnetic baricenter" while the
- "gravitational forces were yet unequal", the Earth would begin to accelerate
- toward the greater gravitational force. This is a consequence of Newton's
- Second Law, F = ma (revised version). Your system would blow itself apart.
-
- Now, let us just suppose that you mean that the Earth was at an
- gravito-electro-magnetic baricenter, where the forces of gravity were unequal,
- but the electro-magnetic forces were also unequal and just happened to cancel
- the difference in gravitational forces out. Would this scenario work? NO.
-
- There are NO few-body systems, outside the quantum mechanical domain,
- which are electro-magnetically stable for any reasonable time scale at all.
- All such proposed configurations are either not at equilibrium, or are at a
- point of unstable equilibirum, where even the merest hint of a nudge will
- destroy them completely. Unequal gravitational forces on the order of
- ~.5 g, which are required by your Saturn scenario, are much^2 more than
- merest hints of a nudge. This difficulty is further intensified by the
- fact that there are NO stable static systems of gravitationally interacting
- particles. A dynamic elctro-magnetically interacting system radiates, leading
- to a quick and inexorable decay of the system, until it vanishes in a puff
- of ultraviolet. Ted, how did your ancient chroniclers fail to record the
- total destruction of the Earth?
-
- Do you understand the difficulties in your scenario, Ted? One either
- believes that the laws of physics (in this case electro-magnetism, gravity,
- and the conservation of angular momentum) were completely different back in
- the misty past, or one can believe that the Saturn scenario holds. One CANNOT
- believe both and be consistent, yet you claim you believe both. Which is it,
- Ted, are you inconsistent or did you profess a false belief?
-
- Before leaving, let me just note that Ted's claim that massive Sauropods,
- huge flying objects, etc. requires the acceptance of some form of the Saturn
- scenario is a fallacious appeal to an excluded middle. Even if one believes
- that the "felt effect of gravity" just had to be much lower in the misty
- recesses of time, alternate interpretations of myths such as Mark Isaak's Once
- Hollow Earth (tm) theory, explain this "reduced felt effect of gravity"
- without violating any of the laws that the Saturn scenario does.
-
- >Ted Holden
-
- --
- Matt Brinkman
- brinkman@edseq1.llnl.gov
-