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- From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
- Subject: Re: ProLife, ProMurder, ProCrime And Iraq
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- In article <1993Jan28.011134.25556@ncsu.edu> dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan26.234749.12467@cs.yale.edu>
- >rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
- >> you should really note that I don't believe that there exists
- >> any act X of which one could truthfully say that X is immoral.
- >> Therefore, it follows that I do not believe that infanticide
- >> or abortion is immoral.
- >Then you must agree that stopping an abortion is not immoral.
- >Nor is it immoral to throw an abortionist in jail.
- Quite true. What's your point?
-
- >>>> [Pro-lifers] want to tell others what to do.
- >>> Pro-choicers want to tell others what to do. They want to
- >>> tell certain human beings that they must die.
- >> Nonsense. They wish to permit others to terminate their
- >> pregnancies.
- >Pro-choicers want to be able to tell certain human beings
- >what to do.
- How so? I certainly don't wish to tell fetuses what to do.
- I agree that I wish to tell pro-lifers not to physically
- harass pregnant women, but if that is what you mean, then
- I hardly see that wanting to tell certain human beings what
- to do is an indictment, since presumably you wish to tell
- certain human beings not to steal your car.
-
- >> Your claim is false on several counts:
- >> 1) One doesn't tell fetuses anything during an abortion.
- >One doesn't 'tell' women anything by passing an anti-abortion law.
- On the contrary. One tells them: You will be prosecuted if you do
- X. (or alternately, your doctor will be prosecuted if he does X.)
-
- >> Why would you? They can't understand it.
- >I was using 'tell' as a metaphor, just like passing a law
- >is 'telling' people what to do. Pro-choicers want to be
- >able to execute certain human beings, or 'tell' them they
- >must die.
- Once again, Mr. Holtsinger, many pro-choicers wish
- no such thing. I, for instance, have no wish to kill fetuses.
- I am not a medical doctor and have no wish to perform an
- abortion. Therefore, it is not true that I wish to be
- able to kill fetuses.
-
- >> 2) There are pro-choicers who will never have anything to
- >> do with an abortion (for instance, they are male and have no
- >> contact with medical professionals) and therefore would
- >> never tell certain human beings that they must die even given
- >> (1).
- >Pro-lifers would never 'tell' these people that they must not
- >obtain an abortion. Therefore, pro-lifers do not wish to
- >'tell' these people what to do.
- So? They wish to tell women what they may or may not do. What's
- your point, Doug?
-
- -Ekr
-
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