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- From: brinkley@cs.utexas.edu (Paul Brinkley)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Christian Pro-Choicers
- Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:38:54 -0600
- Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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- References: <1993Jan27.134912.5161@hemlock.cray.com> <lme8pmINNbc7@sahara.cs.utexas.edu> <1993Jan28.133947.16662@netcom.com>
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- Replying to all of your responses is starting to exert considerable strains
- on my time, keeping me from my studies and other pursuits. (One post alone
- took me nearly three hours to formulate.) However, I still find all the
- arguments on both sides quite interesting, and will continue to lurk in
- the shadows. :-) My posts, however, will be limited, hopefully...
-
- In article <1993Jan28.133947.16662@netcom.com> harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
- >[I'm not trying to muscle in on your debate, but I wanted to address
- >a specific question of Paul's.]
- >
- >brinkley@cs.utexas.edu (Paul Brinkley) writes:
- >
- >>mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
- >
- >>]A z/e/f is, of course, alive. It's not a citizen until
- >>]birth. The Constitution is rather clear on that.
- >
- >>If so, I will definitely have to change my stance considerably. Could
- >>you please supply the passage(s) in the Constitution that provide for this?
- >
- >Amendment 14, Section 1, 1st sentence:
- >
- > All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
- > subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
- > United States and of the State wherein they reside.
- >
- >By definition a z/e/f is not a U.S. citizen. Citizenship is "thrust"
- >upon a child at birth.
-
- Thanks for the quote, Greg. I can see clearly that citizenship is
- bestowed no later than birth via this clause. (Provided birth is in
- the U.S.)
-
- However, the clause does not appear to say anything concerning the
- period before birth; from this clause alone, it looks like the citizenship
- of a z/e/f could conceivably be argued either way.
-
- So, I'm going to probe for more info from the net community. I didn't
- follow RvW closely (seeing has how I was just being born); what was the
- Court's reasoning on the case? Has anyone else here made any other
- interpretations? Also, what exactly was known about pregnancy and birth
- at the time the Constitution was drafted?
-
- Paul Brinkley
- brinkley@cs.utexas.edu
- Pro-Thought Advocate
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