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- From: markp@joplin.wri.com (Mark Pundurs)
- Subject: Re: Christian Pro-Choicers
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- References: <lm1g5pINNegu@ar-rimal.cs.utexas.edu> <1993Jan25.093753.3864@hemlock.cray.com> <lm8oeeINNgrg@ar-rimal.cs.utexas.edu> <1993Jan26.090905.26462@hemlock.cray.com>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:33:29 GMT
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- In <1993Jan26.090905.26462@hemlock.cray.com> mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
-
- >In article <lm8oeeINNgrg@ar-rimal.cs.utexas.edu> brinkley@cs.utexas.edu (Paul Brinkley) writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan25.093753.3864@hemlock.cray.com> mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
- >>>How can the fetus' liberty be valuable? Of necessity, it is
- >>>on a very short leash. It is in the nature of a fetus to
- >>>have very little liberty. Whenever I see the argument that
- >>>fetuses should have the same rights/liberties as anyone else,
- >>>I always wonder, how are you going to go about allowing them
- >>>to peaceably assemble?
- >>
- >>You've got a good point. I could say, "Well, if they WANT to, LET them
- >>assemble!" :) Of course, that would be ludicrous.
- >>
- >Yes. It might be worth exploring _why_ it's ludicrous.
- >Even if fetuses had such desires and were capable of
- >communicating them, it would be imposssible to grant
- >them such a right without removing the rights of the
- >women involved to move about as they please.
-
- >>(And then that Simpsons episode, where Maggie restored all those pacifiers
- >>to the babies in the day-care center, comes to mind. All those babies just
- >>sucking...spooky.)
- >>
- >>Perhaps what I should have said is that they should have the same
- >>protection under the law as everyone else, rather than the same liberties/
- >>rights.
- >>
- >>If you see a problem in THAT statement, let me know. I'm struggling with
- >>this issue the same as the rest of you...
- >>
- >I do see a problem. Give fetuses the same protections
- >as 'everyone else', and you automatically place pregnant
- >women in a category where they enjoy fewer rights than
- >all other born persons, and they have _less_ protection
- >under the law than 'everyone else'.
-
- No; their exercise of their rights is circumscribed by their (self-imposed)
- situation. The mother's right to bodily autonomy ends where the z/e/f's
- right to life begins.
-
- >That's unacceptable.
-
- >>Thanks for spotting that flaw in the wording.
- >>
- >Why, you're welcome.
-
- >muriel
- >standard disclaimer
-
- Mark Pundurs
-