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- From: sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: The issue is abortion, not choice
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.000231.8842@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 00:02:31 GMT
- References: <1993Jan26.183133.5938@netcom.com>
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- From article <1993Jan26.183133.5938@netcom.com>,
- by bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig):
-
- > hamilton@mothra.rose.hp.com (Steve Hamilton) writes:
- >>Brian Kendig (bskendig@netcom.com) wrote:
-
- >>> I support the right to choose to have the _fetus_ _aborted_ (please
- >>> lose the emotionalist buzzwords). If she wants to abort a fetus for
- >>> some reason that I don't like, then that's just too bad for me, but I
- >>> have no right deciding when abortion is 'okay' or not, and I have no
- >>> right putting the woman on trial to decide whether or not she's
- >>> telling the truth when she gives her reasons for wanting an abortion.
-
- >> Do you also support the right for the new mother of a two week old
- >> baby to terminate it's life? If not, why not?
-
- > Of course not! Because the mother can get rid of the infant by just
- > giving it up for adoption.
-
- What if she can't, Brian? What if the baby is a crack addict and a
- member of a racial minority? According to Mark Cochran, this baby
- hasn't a prayer of being adopted. Does she retain the right to
- abort the baby?
-
- > When you balance the right of an infant to
- > live against the right of a mother to not be bothered, it's rather
- > obvious that the infant has quite a bit more at stake.
-
- "The right of a mother not to be bothered"? What if it costs the
- mother her life savings? Her job? Her home? Is it still obvious
- that "the infant has quite a bit more at stake"?
-
- > But in abortion, we're balancing the right of a fetus to live against
- > the right of a woman to control her own body.
-
- In the case of the 2-week-old, we're balancing the right of a neonate
- to live against the right of a woman to control her own life. Do you
- contend that it is self-evident that a woman's right to liberty and
- the pursuit of happiness are less important than her right to control
- her own body? Does the mother retain the same rights when she's in
- labor? What if a full-term fetus needs to be delivered by C-section,
- *stat*, to save her life, but the mother doesn't want to proceed?
-
- These arguments have everything to do with the right of the government
- to make laws, but nothing to do with the morality of making the choice
- to abort. And they depend completely on the assumption that the e/f
- can be viewed, legally and morally, as an intruder with NO right to
- claim support from the mother.
-
- In my opinion, your position is not nearly as strong as you'd like
- me to believe.
-
- > If she wants to get rid
- > of the fetus, she should certainly be allowed to; it is unfortunate
- > that this results in the death of the fetus.
-
- If she wants to get rid of the 3-year-old, she should certainly be
- allowed to; it is unfortunate that....
-
- --
-
- Steve Matheson Program in Neuroscience University of Arizona
- sfm@neurobio.arizona.edu
-