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- From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.misc,talk.religion.misc,misc.legal
- Subject: Re: Supreme Court Upholds Freedom of Speech
- Message-ID: <14053@optilink.COM>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 17:48:41 GMT
- References: <Jan.13.14.35.36.1993.7498@romulus.rutgers.edu> <1993Jan22.172357.2535@Princeton.EDU>
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- In article <1993Jan22.172357.2535@Princeton.EDU>, niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
- > In article <13931@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
- > >This assumes that rational thought is involved with those pregnancies.
- > >I doubt it. You are assuming that abortion was legalized, and this
- > >caused the decline in public morals. I think it's quite the opposite --
- > >the decline in public morals dramatically increased pressure for
- > >easy access to abortions. Prohibiting it won't improve morality in
- > >this country -- but improving public morality by persuasion will
- > >dramatically reduce the demand for abortion.
- >
- > >Persuasion, not laws, is the key.
- >
- > Wow, I almost agree with something Clayton wrote.
-
- I should look at carefully, then.
-
- > Except the part about "decline in public morals." Sex is not immoral.
- > It was a *change* in public morals. Not a decline.
-
- It was a DECLINE in public morals, because the result was a dramatic
- increase in STDs, including the emergence of AIDS from an obscure, unknown
- disease to one that kills tens of thousands of people a year; a
- dramatic increase in unwanted pregnancies, which even if you have
- no moral concerns about it at all, you must admit it is a terribly
- inefficient form of birth control; dramatic increases, especially in
- the ghettos, of illegitimate children without a stable family, and
- as a result, an enormous number of women and children dependent on
- AFDC. That's not a DECLINE?
-
- > David M. Nieporent | "We don't need anymore [sic] wretched refuse. It's
- --
- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
- "When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
- Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
-