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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.233830.1819@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1993Jan18.213140.23135@rotag.mi.org> <1993Jan24.200354.24658@rotag.mi.org> <1993Jan25.132956.12917@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:38:30 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan25.132956.12917@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan24.200354.24658@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >> In article <1993Jan21.130708.13203@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- >> >In article <1993Jan18.213140.23135@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >> >> In article <1993Jan12.171943.27306@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- >> >> >>
- >> >> >...I take this opportunity to point out that
- >> >> >much of what the abortion debate is about is the matter of who
- >> >> >is best able to determine what is best for the woman involved:
- >> >> >the state by fiat or the individual woman (with the best advice
- >> >> >she is able to obtain)? There is a certain arrogance inherent
- >> >> >in the belief that women are unable to make a correct decision
- >> >> >for themselves when they are facing an unwanted pregnancy.
- >> >>
- >> >> I have no doubt that most if not nearly all women can make the best
- >> >> decision for THEMSELVES, Dean. What is being questioned here, however, is
- >> >> whether what's best for an individual woman may or may not be necessarily
- >> >> best for the collective. After all, it's not just a decision that affects a
- >> >> woman's body, it's also a decision that affects whether or not the
- >> >> collective gets a new member. So shouldn't the collective at least get a
- >> >> voice in the decision?
- >> >
- >> >The logical consequences of your statement are very far-reaching,
- >> >but to keep this as short as possible, the sister to your statement
- >> >is that the collective should then also have a voice in whether
- >> >people have children at all. The collective, by your view,
- >> >then can order pregnancies and enforce child-bearing, not
- >> >simply prohibit abortion.
- >>
- >> Er, where did I say "prohibit"? I said they should have a voice. I would go
- >> so far as to say they may also offer incentives for socially "good" behavior,
- >> and disincentives for socially "bad" behavior, as long as people's fundamental
- >> rights are maintained.
- >
- >If that is the case, then you are talking about nothing at all and
- >I apologize to myself for wasting my time.
-
- Must you blurt your self-apologies onto the Net?
-
- >The "collective" already has such a voice.
-
- Not if the pro-choice Extremists get their way. That's the *point*, Dean.
- The pro-choice Extremists insist, in effect, that there is absolutely no way
- that the fetus can be assigned any positive value whatsoever. The reason I
- spend so much time arguing against that position is because I think the
- collective should have leeway in certain instances to determine that value
- for itself.
-
- >By the way, is this Kevin Darcy the individual I am addressing
- >or Kevin Darcy the group?
-
- Grow up.
-
- - Kevin
-