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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.flame
- Subject: Re: Documenting claims for Mark Cochran (Was: Proposed...FAQ)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.000639.27048@rotag.mi.org>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 00:06:39 GMT
- References: <1993Jan18.014515.16791@watson.ibm.com> <1993Jan18.194049.22776@rotag.mi.org> <1993Jan21.080314.12430@watson.ibm.com>
- Organization: Who, me???
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- In article <1993Jan21.080314.12430@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- >>
- >> Proposition A: According to Keegan's stated opinion, anyone who asks
- >> whether Elizabeth is pro-choice is a fool
- >
- > Proposition B: You asked if Ms. Bartley is pro-choice
- >
- > Conclusion 1: You are, as much as can be discerned of Keegan's opinion
- > of you, from the above declarations, a fool
-
- Correct. But Keegan's opinions of me are just worthless vendetta-speak.
- Besides, I never disputed Conclusion 1. My assertion pertained to Mark
- Cochran's alleged "foolishness".
-
- Continuing...
-
- > Proposition D: Mark answered that question
-
- Specifically, he answered in the affirmative.
-
- > Proposition E: You claimed that his answering the question proved him
- > to be what Keegan's quote said the *asker* was.
-
- This is a valid _conclusion_. See below.
-
- > Conclusion 2: You blew it - you intended to trap Susan, but you made
- > yourself out to be the fool.
-
- From "Keegan thinks Darcy is a fool", it does not necessarily follow that
- "Kevin made himself out to be the fool". Nor does the assertion about
- "intend[ing] to trap Susan" follow from any of the foregoing propositions.
-
- Conclusion 2 is refuted.
-
- Now, let's stop to examine the propositions you conveniently deleted, shall we?
-
- Proposition E1: He who rushes in with an incorrect answer to a question
- is at least as foolish as he who asks it, all other
- things being equal
-
- Proposition E2: According to Keegan's stated opinion, an affirmative answer to
- the question "is Elizabeth pro-choice?" is incorrect
-
- Proposition A + Proposition D + Proposition E1 + Proposition E2 =>
-
- Conclusion 2a: Mark is, as much as can be discerned of Keegan's opinion
- of him, from the above declarations, a fool
-
- > Proposition F: You are attempting to save face by questioning the
- > validity of the quote you originally tried to use to
- > prove your point.
-
- I dispute Proposition F. Where have I ever questioned the validity of any of
- the relevant quotes?
-
- > Conclusion 3: It's not working,
-
- Faulty deduction. Whether "it's working" or not appears in none of the
- foregoing propositions.
-
- > ... as I have no interest in whether
- > the quote is valid or not. I jumped in to point out
- > that you were apparently confused by the quote,
-
-
- More faulty deduction. The "I jumped in ..." stuff is strictly declaratory,
- and appears in none of the foregoing propositions.
-
- > since your conclusion didn't follow.
-
- See above. Conclusion 2a does in fact follow. The statement "your conclusion
- didn't follow" has a negative truth value.
-
- Conclusion 3 is refuted.
-
- > Conclusion 4: Your continued attempts at evasion only remind people
- > of how foolish you were in the first place.
-
- Yet more faulty deduction. From "Keegan thinks Darcy is foolish", it does
- not necessarily follow that "people (unquantified) think Darcy is foolish".
- Nor do the assertions about "evasion" and "reminding" follow from any of
- the foregoing propositions.
-
- Conclusion 4 is refuted.
-
- ---
-
- Conclusion 1 stands, but is irrelevant. Conclusions 2, 3 & 4 have been
- refuted. Conclusion 2a stands, namely:
-
- Mark is, as much as can be discerned of Keegan's opinion of him,
- from the above declarations, a fool
-
- Q.E.D.
-
- - Kevin
-