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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Blackmun calls the Roe v. Wade dividing line "arbitrary"
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.022834.21264@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1993Jan02.020537.4501@jcnpc.cmhnet.org> <C0F98p.1B9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan06.183612.32611@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:28:34 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan06.183612.32611@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- >In <C0F98p.1B9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
- >>Foreign visitors to our
- >>country are accorded the same rights as our citizens without being
- >>defined as such.
- >
- >Nope - e.g., they can't vote. They're accorded the rights of *people*;
- >citizens are a subset of people, and have some rights that non-citizens
- >do not.
-
- Where is it written in the Constitution, that citizenship is limited to
- persons (hint: not in the 14th Amendment, since those words don't LIMIT
- the scope of citizenship, they only EXPAND it -- "if X then Y" does not
- imply "if (not X) then (not Y)").
-
- Actually, Larry, I have a killer counter-example for you: diplomatic immunity.
- That's a right that some non-citizen residents have that citizens DON'T have.
- So apparently "citizens' rights" and "persons' rights" are sets that INTERSECT
- each other -- neither is a contained subset of the other.
-
- Give it up, Larry. The "citizenship" argument is specious.
-
- - Kevin
-