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- From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
- Subject: Re: Christian Pro-Choicers
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- In article <lm17p3INNe81@ar-rimal.cs.utexas.edu> brinkley@cs.utexas.edu (Paul Brinkley) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan21.215507.10830@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- >
- >>Unlike you, however, I live in the Real World (tm) and this just is
- >>not going to be a reality anytime soon. If you want to leave it open
- >>to *incredibly* expensive metal mommas, then in perhaps 50-75 years,
- >>we might see something. But an inexpensive one? Kibble, a vaccine
- >>against the mumps will cost you $50 in most pediatricians office. And
- >>the cost certainly is not going down. If you can envision an
- >>inexpensive metal moma in the near future, you're either desperately in
- >>need of a reality check, or merely woefully ignorant about life
- >>support technologies.
- >>But since it's you, it's quite possibly both.
- >
- >A workable, relatively inexpensive computer seemed unlikely in the near
- >future around the 1930s, until the Army jumped on the chance to make
- >possible a machine that could make their shells strike more accurately.
- >One thing leads to another, and now we have Sparc Workstations for a measly
- >five thousand bucks.
- >
- >(Well okay, so it's been fifty years since the Army invested in it.
- >At least it was on the low end of your estimate, Mark. :) )
- >
- >My point is that the turmoil caused by the abortion issue could speed
- >things up incredibly. Being a non-medical person, I can only sit by
- >and hope. (If it needs a program to run, though, gimme a call!) If
- >not a "metal momma", maybe something else. We'll come up with something.
- >
- >Remember when they said it was definitely impossible to discover the
- >chemical makeup inside a star?
- >
- Comparing these two technologies is reaching so far you're likely to
- fall off your limb. Hope all you want. Make some contributions to
- research foundations either. But if and when a metal momma is built,
- it's not going to be cheap. If you think it will be, then kindly
- present me with an example of any sophisticated medical technique or
- procedure which has reduced in cost.
- Lets look at some current examples.
- One of the technologies that any metal momma will have to have is the
- ability to oxygenate and ventilate the fetus. We currently do
- something that is similar to this with preemies, called ECMO (Extra
- Corporeal Membrane Oxygenation). Lets look at what this costs...
- The machine itself, at a cost of roughly $4.5 million.
- A specially trained ECMO tech (who starts out as an RN before
- receiving the specialized traiing) who will cost about $500 a day. (1
- tech per baby, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.)
- An RN with ICN certification, about another $400 a day, or more.
- Respiratory therapists, lab personel, physical therapists, cardiac
- techs, a neonatologist for the general medical needs, a neonatal
- pulmonologist to handle the ECMO and ventilator, dieticians,
- pharmacologists, etc etc.
- Oh, and did we mention little things lie a building to house all this?
- The ancillary equipment, like mechanical ventiloators,
- cardiac/respiratory monitors, sterile supplies which must be replaced
- regularly, and ongoing maintanence of all of the above?
- How about the cost of continueing education to keep people capable of
- performing at the highest standards?
- How could I *possibly* think this would be expensive? After all, what
- you're asking for is only an order of magnitude more complex then what
- we do now.
- I think 'Tom Swift and his Metal Momma' will be the only place a cheap
- fetal-stage incubator shows up any time soon.
-
- --
- Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
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