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- From: brinkley@cs.utexas.edu (Paul Brinkley)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Christian Pro-Choicers
- Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:51:21 -0600
- Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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- > (Steve Adams) writes:
- >> (Paul Brinkley) writes:
-
- >Wow! Selected out of 500! How kind! How thoughtful!
-
- You're welcome. :)
-
- >>....However, as palatable as abortion may be when
- >>compared to the Holocaust, to Suzanne (and myself for the time being),
- >>it is still one person taking the life of another, without the latter's
- >>consent, or dare I say, choice.
- >
- >The issues here are a bit larger, I think. First of all, I am opposed to
- >abortion. But, I also think that it must remain legal. The issue comes
- >down to a basic liberty interest. Until the fetus is viable outside the
- >womb, I don't think there is any arguable position to deny the liberty
- >interest of a woman to make decisions about her own body. Once the fetus
- >becomes viable, then the liberty interest of the baby becomes relevent.
-
- Yeah, the issues are certainly larger and more complex; I hope I didn't
- imply that they weren't.
-
- Your stance seems to indicate that rights are attained upon that moment
- when the fetus can be proven to be able to survive outside the womb, if
- I paraphrased correctly. My current counter-argument is that this is a
- bit too arbitrary of a line on which to base something as valuable as a
- human life. An aside: How exactly does one prove viabilty outside the
- womb?
-
- >On purely moral grounds, you are correct. But, I cannot impose morals
- >which I derive from my religion on others. I base my opinions on laws
- >on whether or not they protect the liberty interest of the individual, and
- >to what extent. Laws that are not based on individual liberty are junk in
- >most cases (certain exceptions : taxes, which are necessary at some level,
- >etc)
-
- A _very_ admirable position. As I've said before, religious arguments to
- support U.S. code just wouldn't apply to anyone not in that religion but
- still a U.S. citizen. My stance, in that light, is non-religious (unless
- someone can point out any flaws in my reason): A fetus' liberty is as
- equally valuable as that of anyone else, and furthermore, when one or
- the other's liberty must be compromised, the law should choose the least
- restrictive course.
-
- In conclusion, your reasoning is quite valid, the only difference being
- that you base it on the assumption that a fetus must first be able to
- survive on its own.
-
- Paul Brinkley
- brinkley@cs.utexas.edu
- Pro-Thought Advocate
-
-