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- From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Subject: Re: COMPROMISE AND THE ABORTION TOPIC
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.020048.17561@ncsu.edu>
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- Organization: NCSU
- References: <1993Jan19.012725.13783@bsu-ucs>
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:00:48 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan19.012725.13783@bsu-ucs>
- 00bbharris@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
-
- > All i've seen thus far in this newsnet (and i'm new to it) is a bunch of guys
- > debating what is essentially a woman's decision. But, being a man myself
- > i find myself needing to post. (I am after all, gay... as if)
-
- I think you'll find that the vast majority of women do not
- support unrestricted abortion-on-demand. Polls tend to show
- that women want to give the child some legal protection.
- Simple restrictions like waiting periods and informed
- consent provisions have especially widespread support.
-
- > The biggest compromise is to leave abortin safe and legal, and then let
- > the individual decide based on morals and self-identity and religion (if
- > need be).
-
- This is not really a compromise, it is the pro-choice position.
- A real compromise would be to overturn Roe v. Wade and return the
- issue to the states where it rightfully belongs. Let the people
- vote on the issue. Judicial fiat is no way to decide such a
- controversial issue.
-
- > Most pro-lifers don't know that the vast majority of pro-choicers are
- > personally against it (like myself) but politically support abortion.
-
- If you feel that abortion is wrong, then why support its legality?
- Why is your answer different when you consider the killing of a
- born person?
-
- > Legalization will not see a great increase of abortion as many pro-lifers
- > feel.
-
- It already has. After Roe v. Wade was decided, the number of abortions
- increased steadily for several years. And I've posted articles showing
- that permissive abortion laws often have the effect of reducing the
- practice of contraception.
-
- > Secondly, pro-lifers usually talk of adoption. Under normal circumstances,
- > i would agree, but in America (where adoption homes and foster homes and
- > orphanages are poorly run and funded) i am highly against it.
-
- If you're against children suffering in foster homes and orphanages,
- then why don't you kill them too? After all, you'd be doing them a
- favor, right? How can YOU tell a child that they have no right to
- live because their life doesn't meet YOUR expectations?
-
- > Last time i
- > checked, which was two years ago, roughly 65% of those who are put up for
- > adoption are left there until 18.
-
- Documentation, please.
-
- > Then, what we have are a group of uneducated
- > individuals, if they even survive entact.
-
- That's right, uneducated individuals should not be allowed to live.
- How kind of you, "Brandon".
-
- > Are all those pro-adoption-lifers
- > going to adopt a child they save,
-
- Sure. You stop killing children, and people will adopt them.
-
- > Thirdly, i'd rather see the potential for life die than watch two lives go
- > (the mother and the child) in an unsafe abortion.
-
- False dichotomy. Nobody has to die.
-
- > Making abortion illegal WILL NOT make it go away, people.
- > Let's try and end this on a different level.
-
- Nobody ever said that abortion would "go away" completely.
- But that's not a justification for unrestricted abortion-
- on-demand. Rape and homicide will never go away either...
-
-
- >Brandon
-
-
- ---
- Doug Holtsinger
- 'finger dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu' for documentation which shows that
- Roe v. Wade is unrestricted abortion-on-demand throughout pregnancy.
-